Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1757314Ab0BCP2o (ORCPT ); Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:28:44 -0500 Received: from hawking.rebel.net.au ([203.20.69.83]:58451 "EHLO hawking.rebel.net.au" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1756746Ab0BCP2m (ORCPT ); Wed, 3 Feb 2010 10:28:42 -0500 Message-ID: <4B699625.5040808@davidnewall.com> Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 01:58:37 +1030 From: David Newall User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg KH CC: Derek Atkins , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Re-enabling non-GPL driver access to disk partition information References: <20100129220601.GA19687@kroah.com> <4B63AF4C.9040003@davidnewall.com> <20100203021049.GA17576@kroah.com> In-Reply-To: <20100203021049.GA17576@kroah.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2540 Lines: 57 Greg KH wrote: > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 02:32:20PM +1030, David Newall wrote: > >> Greg KH wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 09:15:09AM -0500, Derek Atkins wrote: >>> >>> >>>> -EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(put_device); >>>> +EXPORT_SYMBOL(put_device); >>>> >>>> >>> No, sorry, [...] I can not, and will not, make this change. >>> >>> >> Derek, >> >> Consider writing a GPL wrapper module. >> > > Ah, the old "GPL condom" try. Sorry, but this has been tried many times > in the past, and have been shut down every time. See the Samba history > of this for lots of details as to why this does not work. Samba vs The Money merely shows that The Money failed to put up a sufficient defence. Good result for FOSS, but I recommend against you betting your home on it. Anyway, I was thinking of something a little more substantial that what you perhaps read into my suggestion. There's usually a substantial gap between the pure needs of a driver and the facilities offered by an operating system. In the case in question, for example, the need is to count the number of partitions, and the facility offered is get_device, or something. A tiny GPL module that calls get_device and returns a count sounds eminently defensible. In addition--and please keep in mind that I'm unfamiliar with the internals of the kernel--it seems to me there's an obvious similarity with USL vs BSD, alleging copyright for verbatim copying of macro constants, amongst other things. A lesson that learned then was that you can't prevent someone from using provided facilities necessary for use of the operating system. I don't know what put_device does, but I know what it sounds like; it sounds like it's something that you have to use, and so one can use it, even in proprietary code. I imagine this idea will irritate those who put in the hard yards, but FOSS has to play by the same rules as the monied end of town. You might want to think about this carefully, because if it's taken all the way through court and the GPL-only claim rejected, there may well be a run-on effect on all of the symbols marked GPL-only. Those who want to thwart proprietary kernel modules may find it prudent to generously give up this symbol rather than risking the lot. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/