Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S934199Ab0BQKQ4 (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Feb 2010 05:16:56 -0500 Received: from gate.lvk.cs.msu.su ([158.250.17.1]:37354 "EHLO mail.lvk.cs.msu.su" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S933005Ab0BQKQy (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Feb 2010 05:16:54 -0500 X-Spam-ASN: From: "Nikita V. Youshchenko" To: Andi Kleen Subject: Re: Extended error reporting to user space? Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 13:16:48 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 Cc: LKML References: <201002161520.26700@zigzag.lvk.cs.msu.su> <87r5ok5gl2.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> In-Reply-To: <87r5ok5gl2.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201002171316.49165@zigzag.lvk.cs.msu.su> X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2452 Lines: 54 > "Nikita V. Youshchenko" writes: > > I'm developing a device driver that, in it's ioctl()s, accepts a > > complex data structure. Before doing it's operation, it performs large > > number of checks if data is valid. If one of those checks fail, driver > > returns -EINVAL. > > > > Unfortunately this -EINVAL is not really useful. E.g. if a developer, > > sitting in his IDE and debugging his code, will see ioctl() > > returning -EINVAL, and will have hard times finding what exactly is > > wrong. > > > > Before inventing driver-specific extended error reporting, I'd like to > > ask if there is anything more or less generic for this. > > I believe situation when -Exxx is too weak interface for error > > reporting is common. > > This is a very common problem in Linux unfortunately. I always > describe that as a the "ed approach to error handling". Instead > of giving a error message you just give ?. Just ? happens > to be EINVAL in Linux. > > My favourite example of this is the configuration of the networking > queueing disciplines, which configure complicated data structures and > algorithms and in many cases have tens of different error conditions > based on the input parameters -- and they all just report EINVAL. > > The standard way (standard kludge or standard workaround would be a > better description) is to use printk; often guarded by a special > kernel tunable or ifdef to avoid flooding the log in the normal case. > > IMHO it would be best to simply add a way to return strings directly > in this case (a la plan9). This would be probably not too hard to > implement. It's not there unfortunately. > > This could be done with one of the message oriented protocols, > e.g. netlink or read/write on a special minor. Why not create a generic solution for this, if one does not exist yet? For example, have a "last error" string associated with task_struct, that: - will clean on each syscall entry, - while syscall is running, may be filled with printf-style routines, - may be accessible from userspace with additional syscall [that obviously should not reset error]? This will give driver writers a common interface for extended error reporting... Nikita -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/