To: Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com>
Cc: Vitaly Mayatskikh <v.mayatskih@gmail.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
       Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
       "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Haren Myneni <hbabu@us.ibm.com>,
       Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>, Cong Wang <amwang@redhat.com>,
       kexec@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] Add second memory region for crash kernel
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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:48:53 -0700
In-Reply-To: <20100422224525.GJ3228@redhat.com> (Vivek Goyal's message of "Thu\, 22 Apr 2010 18\:45\:25 -0400")
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Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@redhat.com> writes:

> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 03:07:11PM -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> Vitaly Mayatskikh <v.mayatskih@gmail.com> writes:
>> >
>> > This serie of patches realizes this approach. It requires also changes
>> > in kexec utility to make this feature work, but is
>> > backward-compatible: old versions of kexec will work with new
>> > kernel. I will post patch to kexec-tools upstream separately.
>> 
>> Have you tried loading a 64bit vmlinux directly into a higher address
>> range?  There may be a bit or two missing but you should be able to
>> load a linux kernel above 4GB.  I tested the basics of that mechanism
>> when I made the 64bit relocatable kernel.
>
> I guess even if it works, for distributions it will become additional
> liability to carry vmlinux (instead of relocatable bzImage). So we shall
> have to find a way to make bzImage work.

As Peter pointed out we actually have everything thing we need except
a bit of documentation and the flag that says this is a 64bit kernel.

>From a testing perspective a 64bit vmlinux should work today without
changes.  Once it is confirmed there is a solution with the 64bit
kernel we just need a small patch to boot.txt and a few tweaks to 
/sbin/kexec to handle a 64bit bzImage.

>> I don't buy the argument that there is a direct connection between
>> the amount of memory you have and how much memory it takes to dump it.
>> Even an indirect connections seems suspicious.
>
> Memory requirement by user space might be of interest though like dump
> filtering tools. I vaguely remember that it used to first traverse all
> the memory pages, create some internal data structures and then start
> dumping.
>
> So memory required by filtering tool might be directly proportional to
> amount of memory present in the system.

Assuming your dump filtering tool creates a bitmap of pages to be dumped
you get a ration of 32K to 1.  Or 3MB for 100GB and 32MB for 1TB.
Which is noticeable in the worst case but definitely not enough to push
us past 2GB.

> Vitaly, have you really run into cases where 2G upper limit is a concern.
> What is the configuration you have, how much memory it has and how much
> memory are you planning to reserve for kdump kernel?

A good question.

Eric
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