Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755083Ab0FBKAF (ORCPT ); Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:00:05 -0400 Received: from mail-pv0-f174.google.com ([74.125.83.174]:35925 "EHLO mail-pv0-f174.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752586Ab0FBKAC convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Wed, 2 Jun 2010 06:00:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1275471561.27810.30865.camel@twins> References: <201005302202.39511.rjw@sisk.pl> <201005312347.24251.rjw@sisk.pl> <1275471561.27810.30865.camel@twins> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 03:00:01 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arve_Hj=F8nnev=E5g?= To: Peter Zijlstra Cc: Thomas Gleixner , "Rafael J. Wysocki" , Florian Mickler , Matthew Garrett , Alan Stern , Paul@smtp1.linux-foundation.org, LKML , felipe.balbi@nokia.com, Linux OMAP Mailing List , Linux PM , Alan Cox Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1388 Lines: 41 2010/6/2 Peter Zijlstra : > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 01:54 -0700, Arve Hj?nnev?g wrote: >> No I want you to stop confusing low power idle modes with suspend. > > I think it is you who is confused. For power management purposes suspend > is nothing more but a deep idle state. No, idle is transparent, suspend is not. > > (and please don't mention @#$@ up x86 ACPI again, Intel knows, they're > fixing it, get over it already). > I don't think it is realistic to drop support for all existing hardware. >> Unrelated to >> Android, I also want to use opportunistic suspend on my desktop. > > So you're going to sprinkle this suspend blocker shite all over regular > userspace? I have said several times, that regular user-space will not need to be modified to maintain their current behavior. > Why not instead work on getting apps to behave properly and > idle when there's nothing to do? > > After all, if you have the code to add suspend blockers into, you also > have the means to fix it being stupid in the first place. > Why would I add suspend blockers to the code I want to prevent running? -- Arve Hj?nnev?g -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/