Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1757059Ab0FETiT (ORCPT ); Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:38:19 -0400 Received: from ogre.sisk.pl ([217.79.144.158]:55174 "EHLO ogre.sisk.pl" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1756577Ab0FETiS (ORCPT ); Sat, 5 Jun 2010 15:38:18 -0400 From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" To: Peter Zijlstra Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 8) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 21:39:31 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.12.4 (Linux/2.6.35-rc1-rjw; KDE/4.3.5; x86_64; ; ) Cc: Felipe Contreras , Florian Mickler , James Bottomley , Arve =?utf-8?q?Hj=C3=B8nnev=C3=A5g?= , tytso@mit.edu, LKML , Linux PM , Thomas Gleixner , Linux OMAP Mailing List , felipe.balbi@nokia.com, Alan Cox , Brian Swetland , Andrew Morton References: <20100527222514.0a1710bf@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <201006052104.05324.rjw@sisk.pl> <1275765379.1645.532.camel@laptop> In-Reply-To: <1275765379.1645.532.camel@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201006052139.31253.rjw@sisk.pl> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1560 Lines: 33 On Saturday 05 June 2010, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 21:04 +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote: > > > > > I have seen recent proposals that don't require changing the whole > > > user-space. That might actually be used by other players. > > > > Sure, an approach benefitting more platforms than just Android would be better, > > but saying that the kernel shouldn't address the Android's specific needs as a > > rule if no one else has those needs too is quite too far reaching to me. > > Well, if the android people keep rejecting all sensible approaches to > power savings except their suspend blocker mess, then I don't see why we > should support their ill designed mess. Well, I certainly would like the Android people to be more appreciative of our ideas if they expect reciprocity. > We should strive to provide an interface that can be used by all > interested parties to conserve power; if Android really is the only > possible user of the interface then I don't see any reason at all to > merge it, they might as well keep it in their private tree. There is a number of kernel users that depend on Android user space (phone vendors using Android on their hardware, but providing their own drivers), so I don't think we really can identify Android with Google in that respect. Rafael -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/