Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932960Ab0FRNta (ORCPT ); Fri, 18 Jun 2010 09:49:30 -0400 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:25804 "EHLO rcsinet10.oracle.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932416Ab0FRNt3 (ORCPT ); Fri, 18 Jun 2010 09:49:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 09:47:55 -0400 From: Chris Mason To: Edward Shishkin Cc: Mat , LKML , linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Ric Wheeler , Andrew Morton , Linus Torvalds , The development of BTRFS Subject: Re: Btrfs: broken file system design (was Unbound(?) internal fragmentation in Btrfs) Message-ID: <20100618134755.GG27466@think> Mail-Followup-To: Chris Mason , Edward Shishkin , Mat , LKML , linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Ric Wheeler , Andrew Morton , Linus Torvalds , The development of BTRFS References: <4C07C321.8010000@redhat.com> <4C1B7560.1000806@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4C1B7560.1000806@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-Source-IP: rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090206.4C1B7955.023F:SCFMA4539811,ss=1,fgs=0 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 3288 Lines: 72 On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 03:32:16PM +0200, Edward Shishkin wrote: > Mat wrote: > >On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Edward Shishkin wrote: > >>Hello everyone. > >> > >>I was asked to review/evaluate Btrfs for using in enterprise > >>systems and the below are my first impressions (linux-2.6.33). > >> > >>The first test I have made was filling an empty 659M (/dev/sdb2) > >>btrfs partition (mounted to /mnt) with 2K files: > >> > >># for i in $(seq 1000000); \ > >>do dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/file_$i bs=2048 count=1; done > >>(terminated after getting "No space left on device" reports). > >> > >># ls /mnt | wc -l > >>59480 > >> > >>So, I got the "dirty" utilization 59480*2048 / (659*1024*1024) = 0.17, > >>and the first obvious question is "hey, where are other 83% of my > >>disk space???" I looked at the btrfs storage tree (fs_tree) and was > >>shocked with the situation on the leaf level. The Appendix B shows > >>5 adjacent btrfs leafs, which have the same parent. > >> > >>For example, look at the leaf 29425664: "items 1 free space 3892" > >>(of 4096!!). Note, that this "free" space (3892) is _dead_: any > >>attempts to write to the file system will result in "No space left > >>on device". There are two easy ways to fix this problem. Turn off the inline extents (max_inline=0) or allow splitting of the inline extents. I didn't put in the splitting simply because the complexity was high while the benefits were low (in comparison with just turning off the inline extents). > > It must be a highly unexpected and difficult question for file system > developers: "how efficiently does your file system manage disk space"? > > In the meanwhile I confirm that Btrfs design is completely broken: > records stored in the B-tree differ greatly from each other (it is > unacceptable!), and the balancing algorithms have been modified in > insane manner. All these factors has led to loss of *all* boundaries > holding internal fragmentation and to exhaustive waste of disk space > (and memory!) in spite of the property "scaling in their ability to > address large storage". > > This is not a large storage, this is a "scalable sieve": you can not > rely on finding there some given amount of water even after infinite > increasing the size of the sieve (read escalating the pool of Btrfs > devices). > > It seems that nobody have reviewed Btrfs before its inclusion to the > mainline. I have only found a pair of recommendations with a common > idea that Btrfs maintainer is "not a crazy man". Plus a number of > papers which admire with the "Btrfs phenomena". Sigh. > > Well, let's decide what can we do in current situation.. > The first obvious point here is that we *can not* put such file system > to production. Just because it doesn't provide any guarantees for our > users regarding disk space utilization. Are you basing all of this on inline extents? The other extents of variable size are more flexible (taking up the room in the leaf), but they can also easy be split during balancing. -chris -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/