Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753275Ab0FUFab (ORCPT ); Mon, 21 Jun 2010 01:30:31 -0400 Received: from mail-pv0-f174.google.com ([74.125.83.174]:42304 "EHLO mail-pv0-f174.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752295Ab0FUFa1 convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Mon, 21 Jun 2010 01:30:27 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JjZqfrpKIGTiSto714HIo3sHlcQYZD3wdjbRhR51s/JfOtCO2p0VebURU3Eze75zoO Wz3HNsuCLD+aawfOPdnyPRx/q+JVuifkdRNTWAZLUWD2TJocIncandiKAN7OzPUjo4o8 oEmwFsPX6MtQy8LTyHZ1UsD5y1Qsw7LXHufpM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4C1EBE06.7020605@seas.upenn.edu> References: <4C1E6A8C.4020904@seas.upenn.edu> <4C1EBE06.7020605@seas.upenn.edu> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 22:30:26 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Wacom based devices and the mt kernel protocol. From: Ping Cheng To: Rafi Rubin Cc: Mohamed Ikbel Boulabiar , Henrik Rydberg , Chase Douglas , Dmitry Torokhov , linux-input@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jiri Kosina Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2158 Lines: 49 On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 6:19 PM, Rafi Rubin wrote: >> >>>>> This impact very much the decision of a Linux user wanting to buy wacom mt device. >>>> >>>> I think end users have already got the Linux support from Wacom. ?Can >>>> you share the specific issues that are preventing Linux end users from >>>> buying a Wacom MT devices? If I didn't misunderstand your point here, >>>> you are talking about Linux users, not Linux developers/hackers, >>>> right? >>> >>> I think normal users wanting to use linux for MT are generally frustrated and >>> confused at the moment. >> >> Why do the end users get frustrated and confused? Can you share some >> examples from an end user's (not developer's) perspective with me? > > Sorry, I've been too focused on the n-trig users. ?They have been frustrated, > and I've seen from the forums that some have been playing with customized > versions of both the kernel and wacom x driver to get your two finger gestures. > > I'm also projecting my own frustrations, seeing the X mt interface still not > quite set, and very little in the way of applications that use mt at all. > We're still quite a ways away from seeing the full potential of a more hands on desktop. As far as I understand, this issue is not device driver or MT support specific. It is universal on Linux. >>> Certainly the protocol between the wacom kernel driver >>> and the wacom user space driver is way below the level that most are following. >> >> By "most", do you mean most MT device drivers, or most end users, or >> most developers? I am eager to bring the Wacom driver to the specific >> level. > > End users, they don't tend to care about the internal protocols as long as their > programs do what they want. Then, I still don't get what you meant by "way below the level that most are following". I'd really like to understand it so I can work on it. Thank you, Ping -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/