To: Louis Rilling <Louis.Rilling@kerlabs.com>
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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 05:58:08 -0700
In-Reply-To: <20100621111127.GI16877@hawkmoon.kerlabs.com> (Louis Rilling's message of "Mon\, 21 Jun 2010 13\:11\:27 +0200")
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Louis Rilling <Louis.Rilling@kerlabs.com> writes:

> On 18/06/10 18:27 +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>> On 06/18, Louis Rilling wrote:
>> >
>> > On 17/06/10 23:36 +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>> > > On 06/17, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > The task->children isn't changed until __unhash_process() which runs
>> > > > after flush_proc_task().
>> > >
>> > > Yes. But this is only the current implementation detail.
>> > > It would be nice to cleanup the code so that EXIT_DEAD tasks are
>> > > never sit in ->children list.
>> > >
>> > > > So we should be able to come up with
>> > > > a variant of do_wait() that zap_pid_ns_processes can use that does
>> > > > what we need.
>> > >
>> > > See above...
>> > >
>> > > Even if we modify do_wait() or add the new variant, how the caller
>> > > can wait for EXIT_DEAD tasks? I don't think we want to modify
>> > > release_task() to do __wake_up_parent() or something similar.
>> >
>> > Indeed, I was thinking about calling __wake_up_parent() from release_task()
>> > once parent->children becomes empty.
>> >
>> > Not sure about the performance impact though. Maybe some WAIT_NO_CHILDREN flag
>> > in parent->signal could limit it. But if EXIT_DEAD children are removed from
>> > ->children before release_task(), I'm afraid that this becomes impossible.
>> 
>> Thinking more, even the current do_wait() from zap_pid_ns_processes()
>> is not really good. Suppose that some none-init thread is ptraced, then
>> zap_pid_ns_processes() will hange until the tracer does do_wait() or
>> exits.
>
> Is this really a bad thing? If somebody ptraces a task in a pid namespace, that
> sounds reasonable to have this namespace (and it's init task) pinned.

Louis.  Have you seen this problem hit without my setns patch?

I'm pretty certain that this hits because there are processes do_wait
does not wait for, in particular processes in a disjoint process tree.

So at this point I am really favoring killing the do_wait and making
this all asynchronous.

Eric
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