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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 17:08:11 -0500
From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
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To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCHv2] vhost-net: add dhclient work-around from userspace
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On 06/29/2010 08:04 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:36:47AM -0700, David Miller wrote:
>    
>> From: "Michael S. Tsirkin"<mst@redhat.com>
>> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:08:07 +0300
>>
>>      
>>> Userspace virtio server has the following hack
>>> so guests rely on it, and we have to replicate it, too:
>>>
>>> Use port number to detect incoming IPv4 DHCP response packets,
>>> and fill in the checksum for these.
>>>
>>> The issue we are solving is that on linux guests, some apps
>>> that use recvmsg with AF_PACKET sockets, don't know how to
>>> handle CHECKSUM_PARTIAL;
>>> The interface to return the relevant information was added
>>> in 8dc4194474159660d7f37c495e3fc3f10d0db8cc,
>>> and older userspace does not use it.
>>> One important user of recvmsg with AF_PACKET is dhclient,
>>> so we add a work-around just for DHCP.
>>>
>>> Don't bother applying the hack to IPv6 as userspace virtio does not
>>> have a work-around for that - let's hope guests will do the right
>>> thing wrt IPv6.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Michael S. Tsirkin<mst@redhat.com>
>>>        
>> Yikes, this is awful too.
>>
>> Nothing in the kernel should be mucking around with procotol packets
>> like this by default.  In particular, what the heck does port 67 mean?
>> Locally I can use it for whatever I want for my own purposes, I don't
>> have to follow the conventions for service ports as specified by the
>> IETF.
>>
>> But I can't have the packet checksum state be left alone for port 67
>> traffic on a box using virtio because you have this hack there.
>>
>> And yes it's broken on machines using the qemu thing, but at least the
>> hack there is restricted to userspace.
>>      
> Yes, and I think it was a mistake to add the hack there. This is what
> prevented applications from using the new interface in the 3 years
> since it was first introduced.
>    

It's far more complicated than that.  dhclient is part of ISC's DHCP 
package.  They do not have a public SCM and instead require you to join 
their Software Guild to get access to it.

This problem was identified in one distribution and the patch was pushed 
upstream but because they did not have a public SCM, most other 
distributions did not see the fix until it appeared in a release.  ISC 
has a pretty long release cycle historically.

ISC's had the fix for a long time but there was a 3-year gap in their 
releases and since their SCM isn't public, users are stuck with the last 
release.

This hack makes sense in QEMU as we have a few hacks like this to fix 
broken guests.  A primary use of virtualization is to run old 
applications so it makes sense for us to do that.

I don't think it makes sense for vhost to do this.  These guests are so 
old that they don't have the requisite features to achieve really high 
performance anyway.

I've always thought making vhost totally transparent was a bad idea and 
this is one of the reasons.  We can do a lot of ugly things in userspace 
that we shouldn't be doing in the kernel.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori
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