From: Martin Steigerwald <Martin@lichtvoll.de>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: stable? quality assurance?
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 16:51:42 +0200
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Hi Lee,

Am Sonntag 11 Juli 2010 schrieb Lee Mathers:
> Wow!
>=20
> First question what is a "desaster"?

=46or me freezing the machine or at least complete desktop randomly for=20
example. And actually I said "for me" as you can reread on the bottom of=20
your top posting.

> Second question, what makes you so important that you feel you can
> makes demands and comments as you did.

Since when I do need to be considered to be important by you or anyone=20
else to make comments? Actually I think I do not - this is still an open=20
mailinglist, isn't it? And I won't waste my time with proofs that I=20
contributed to free software here and there - also to kernel testing what=20
for example Ingo Molnar could testify back in early CFS times where I=20
roughly compiled a kernel a day and to kernel documentation once.

I also do not get why you are attacking me personally. It seems to be that=
=20
you feel personally attacked by me. But I did not. I just questioned the=20
quality of the kernel and its current quality assurance process. No one is=
=20
personally bad then anything of that lacks.

One reason for a demand for me is best expressed by this question: Does=20
the kernel developer community want to encourage that a group of advanced=20
Linux users - but mostly non-developers - compile their own vanilla or=20
valnilla near kernels, provide wider testing and report a bug now and=20
then?

I can live with either answer. If not, I just will be much more reluctant=20
to try out new kernels.

But I have experienced working productively with kernel developers like=20
Ingo and tuxonice developer Nigel who where pretty interested in my usage=20
of latest kernels.

I admit my wording could have been friendlier, too, but I was just=20
frustrated out of my recent experiences. What I wanted to achieve is=20
raising concern whether kernel quality actually has decreased and more=20
importantly something needs to be done to make it more stable again.

Well Linus has at least been a bit more reluctant to take big changes=20
after rc1 this cycle, so maybe 2.6.35 will be better again.

> If indeed these are production systems and you are an administrator of
> said production systems. I suggest you need to do a little more home
> work to expand your knowledge base.

Its production system that have some fault tolerance, i.e. not servers,=20
but laptops and one, not yet all workstations. But for me a certain=20
balance has to be met. I will just downgrade and drop newer kernels or=20
even start skipping whole major versions completely on a regular basis if=20
that turns out to be the only way to have stable enough machines for me.=20
One approach would be to stick to the stable kernels that Greg and the=20
stable team maintains for a longer time

> Hope you have better luck in getting your systems running well.

Thanks. I certainly will. If need be by downgrading.

I hope that someone answers who actually can take some critique. From the=20
current replies I perceive a lack of that ability.

Ciao,
=2D-=20
Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de
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