Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755146Ab0G3VXR (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:23:17 -0400 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.186]:53936 "EHLO moutng.kundenserver.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753149Ab0G3VXO (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:23:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/18] xstat: Add a pair of system calls to make extended file stats available [ver #6] From: utz lehmann To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Jeremy Allison , Volker.Lendecke@sernet.de, David Howells , Jan Engelhardt , linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, samba-technical@lists.samba.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, linux-fsde@jasper.es In-Reply-To: References: <20100715021709.5544.64506.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <20100715021712.5544.44845.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <30448.1279800887@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:22:58 +0200 Message-ID: <1280524978.2452.9.camel@segv.aura.of.mankind> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.2 (2.30.2-4.fc13) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:xkhYyWNpAly6hJpDhG0gRE+Y6Lb9LfF5/zRm77EyCM7 5hqFACpXm3hkMlYI2pU4WyLfbckfy+Z8JIheq/sN3gRH6mB4SF 9KyEv1QTqFrVoaN7+HNsYx7pko4mh9H7dzbgZWYoF/ZOyusp5e f89IuR4dVGNHA6jN1ITcI6mG1BZE+0Jdz7kK33E/fCltCe3Mvc cU1cwAwQOo6WO7yU5ajpA== Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 795 Lines: 22 On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 09:40 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > But the fact is, th Unix ctime semantics are insane and largely > useless. There's a damn good reason almost nobody uses ctime under > unix. > > So what I'm suggesting is that we have a flag - either per-process or > per-mount - that just says "use windows semantics for ctime". When abusing an existing time stamp use atime not ctime please. ctime has it's uses. atime was just a mistake and is nearly useless. And with noatime we already have creation time semantics for atime. utz -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/