Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751514Ab0HATpc (ORCPT ); Sun, 1 Aug 2010 15:45:32 -0400 Received: from netrider.rowland.org ([192.131.102.5]:59828 "HELO netrider.rowland.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1751423Ab0HATpa (ORCPT ); Sun, 1 Aug 2010 15:45:30 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 15:45:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Alan Stern X-X-Sender: stern@netrider.rowland.org To: "Paul E. McKenney" cc: Arjan van de Ven , , , , , , , , , , , Subject: Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread In-Reply-To: <20100801054816.GI2470@linux.vnet.ibm.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1784 Lines: 40 On Sat, 31 Jul 2010, Paul E. McKenney wrote: > > > o "Power-aware application" are applications that are permitted > > > to acquire suspend blockers on Android. Verion 8 of the > > > suspend-blocker patch seems to use group permissions to > > > determine which applications are classified as power aware. > > > > > > More generally, power-aware applications seem to be those that > > > have permission to exert some control over the system's > > > power state. > > > > I don't like the term "Power aware application". An application is well > > behaved or it isn't. "aware" has nothing to do with it. > > Applications are often complex enough to be aware of some things, naive > about others, well behaved in some ways, and ill-behaved in others. > This has been the case for some decades now, so it should not come as > a surprise. > > I am of course open to suggestions for alternatives to the term "power > aware application", but most definitely not to obfuscating the difference > between power awareness (or whatever name one wishes to call it) and > the overall quality of the application, whatever "quality" might mean > in a given context. This is a false dichotomy. The two of you have fallen into a logical trap. I forget the word used to describe an argument based on a fundamental misunderstanding, but it applies here. The term "power-aware" has _nothing_ to do with how well behaved an application is, or its quality (in any sense). Go back and re-read the definition; you'll see what I mean. Alan Stern -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/