Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752215Ab0HBDGs (ORCPT ); Sun, 1 Aug 2010 23:06:48 -0400 Received: from casper.infradead.org ([85.118.1.10]:52341 "EHLO casper.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751840Ab0HBDGr (ORCPT ); Sun, 1 Aug 2010 23:06:47 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 20:06:55 -0700 From: Arjan van de Ven To: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com Cc: linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, arve@android.com, mjg59@srcf.ucam.org, pavel@ucw.cz, florian@mickler.org, rjw@sisk.pl, stern@rowland.harvard.edu, swetland@google.com, peterz@infradead.org, tglx@linutronix.de, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk Subject: Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread Message-ID: <20100801200655.7edcf247@infradead.org> In-Reply-To: <20100802011006.GS2470@linux.vnet.ibm.com> References: <20100731175841.GA9367@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20100731215214.2543c07e@infradead.org> <20100801054816.GI2470@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20100731230101.7cc1d8c7@infradead.org> <20100801191228.GL2470@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20100801154708.19817b75@infradead.org> <20100802011006.GS2470@linux.vnet.ibm.com> Organization: Intel X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.20.1; i386-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by casper.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1447 Lines: 35 On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 18:10:06 -0700 "Paul E. McKenney" wrote: > If I understand you correctly, a key point of agreement between you > and the Android guys is that both the system and the user have some > say over how applications are treated by the system in terms of how > seriously the system takes a given application's requests. > > The Android guys also want the user to have some say about what > applications are permitted to have some control over "I want to go to > " requests. Does that seem reasonable > to you? I personally think it's one of those things where... well we can get a LONG way automatically (by just observing things); asking the users is very very often just caving in rather than solving the problem. Asking the user should only be done for things the user 1) Can give an intelligent answer to and 2) Are something the user WANTS to be involved in. (rather than 'stupid thing, why don't just do the right thing'.. think the Windows Vista security questions) -- Arjan van de Ven Intel Open Source Technology Centre For development, discussion and tips for power savings, visit http://www.lesswatts.org -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/