Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 06:11:52 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 06:11:50 -0400 Received: from relay01.valueweb.net ([216.219.253.235]:519 "EHLO relay01.valueweb.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Mon, 3 Jun 2002 06:11:47 -0400 Message-ID: <3CFB40FB.E997F3E6@opersys.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 06:12:11 -0400 From: Karim Yaghmour X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.16 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, French/Canada, French/France, fr-FR, fr-CA MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andersen@codepoet.org CC: linux-kernel , Philippe Gerum Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Adeos nanokernel for Linux kernel In-Reply-To: <3CFB2A38.60242CBA@opersys.com> <20020603084606.GA15986@codepoet.org> <3CFB3378.5EB7420@opersys.com> <20020603095202.GA16392@codepoet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Erik Andersen wrote: > So will we soon be seeing a port of RTAI to a linux kernel module > which is implemented as a separate Adeos domain, allowing RTAI > apps to bypass US patent 5995745? A quick glance over that > patent leaves me uncertain whether this indeed bypasses the > fundamental "invention" of a "process for running a general > purpose computer operating system using a real time operating > system". It still looks to me like a real time operating system > (Adeos) running real time and non-real time tasks with a general > purpose operating system as one of the non-real time tasks... > Could you summarize (for non-lawyers such as myself) how this > bypasses the claims in the patent? The problem here is the "quick glance" (no offense intended). The most important part of a patent is its claims. In the case of the rtlinux patent, there are 11 claims. There are 2 sorts of claims, independent claims and dependent claims. In this patent, there are 2 independent claims and 9 claims that depend on these 2 root claims. If you can show that a method is not an implementation of those 2 root claims, you're clear. The 2 root claims in this patent are claim 1 & 7. Both of these contain the following statements [1]: > A process for running a general purpose computer operating system > using a real time operating system, including the steps of: > > a) providing a real time operating system for running real time > tasks and components and non-real time tasks; > > b) providing a general purpose operating system as one of the > non-real time tasks; > > c) preempting the general purpose operating system as needed for > the real time tasks; and > > d) preventing the general purpose operating system from blocking > preemption of the non-real time tasks. First, the introductory phrase doesn't match. Any RTOS above Adeos does not run Linux. The RTOS does not catch all interrupts and decide which ones go to Linux and which don't. In fact, it is very possible that the RTOS isn't even aware of Linux's existence. All it sees is Adeos with which it interacts to get everything it needs. Furthermore, the RTOS has no idea if someone else is before him in the ipipe. As for the claims, we just need to take a look at "a" and "b" to see that it doesn't match: a) Adeos is certainly not an RTOS and it certainly doesn't have any "tasks". It doesn't even have a scheduler. All it does is distribute hardware resources to whoever asks for them. Note that "Exokernel" for instance, did have a "round-robin" scheduler. So even if Adeos had a scheduler, it would still be considered a nanokernel. b) This one doesn't apply to Adeos for the same reasons as "a". Also this phrase doesn't apply to any RTOS above Adeos because any such RTOS need not even know Linux is there. All it needs to know is that it has to call on adeos_suspend_domain() to go into a dormant state when it doesn't have any more "ready" tasks. In no way does it have a "Linux" task, as RTLinux and RTAI clearly do. Karim [1] http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%275,995,745%27.WKU.&OS=PN/5,995,745&RS=PN/5,995,745 =================================================== Karim Yaghmour karim@opersys.com Embedded and Real-Time Linux Expert =================================================== - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/