Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:05:54 -0400
From: Mark Mielke <mark@mark.mielke.cc>
To: Wayne.Brown@altec.com
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: If you want kbuild 2.5, tell Linus
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On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 10:29:10AM -0500, Wayne.Brown@altec.com wrote:
> Keith Owens <kaos@ocs.com.au> wrote:
> >It is a sad day when a fully tested and documented system that is
> >faster and, above all, more accurate, cannot get into the kernel.
> >Linus is judging kbuild 2.5 on its popularity and on personalities, not
> >on its technical merits.
> Right, make Linus do what you want by impugning his technical
> judgment, calling him a liar, and asking people to flood his mailbox
> with complaints.  Sure, THAT will work.

It is still unfortunate that all contributions, especially larger scale
ones, cannot be openly accepted and embraced. It isn't as if the change
is overly invasive... if both system can operate in parallel, the impact
is significantly less.

Alas, we have these things called precidents and processes that attempt to
hone the quality of releases at the cost of potential productivity.

Keith: I do not think Linus is discouraging kbuild 2.5 due to popularity
or personalities. I suspect he is discouraging it due to a healthy fear
of the precident that it would set, as well as the chance that it would
require a great deal more work and you and your collaborators all get hit
by a bus ( or get a life? :-) ) tomorrow morning.

I'm not certain where the line is for 'breaking the change up', such that
the effort does not become substantially more, but the requirement for the
line has been decreed.

mark

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