Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1760022Ab0HLMxY (ORCPT ); Thu, 12 Aug 2010 08:53:24 -0400 Received: from THUNK.ORG ([69.25.196.29]:55117 "EHLO thunker.thunk.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1759907Ab0HLMxV (ORCPT ); Thu, 12 Aug 2010 08:53:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 08:52:49 -0400 From: "Ted Ts'o" To: Felipe Contreras Cc: Alan Stern , paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Alan Cox , david@lang.hm, Brian Swetland , linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, arve@android.com, mjg59@srcf.ucam.org, pavel@ucw.cz, florian@mickler.org, rjw@sisk.pl, peterz@infradead.org, tglx@linutronix.de, menage@google.com, david-b@pacbell.net, James.Bottomley@suse.de, arjan@infradead.org, swmike@swm.pp.se, galibert@pobox.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com Subject: Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, take three Message-ID: <20100812125248.GA2763@thunk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ted Ts'o , Felipe Contreras , Alan Stern , paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Alan Cox , david@lang.hm, Brian Swetland , linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, arve@android.com, mjg59@srcf.ucam.org, pavel@ucw.cz, florian@mickler.org, rjw@sisk.pl, peterz@infradead.org, tglx@linutronix.de, menage@google.com, david-b@pacbell.net, James.Bottomley@suse.de, arjan@infradead.org, swmike@swm.pp.se, galibert@pobox.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@thunk.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on thunker.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1105 Lines: 28 On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 03:28:01PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: > > The question is why are we adding a user-space API that: > 1) no user-space beside Android has expresses interest in implementing > 2) is dubious whether the benefits are worth the pain for non-Android > user-space > 3) will become less and less attractive as dynamic PM gets closer to > the sweet-spot, and then surpass it > 4) Android can keep in a separate tree until it's clear in the linux > community that it's useful (if it ever happens) So, Felipe, Do you believe you speak for all of LKML? Are you willing to tell ZDNet and the Slashdot fanboys that it's OK for Suspend blockers to live in a separate tree, and it's not a case of OMG! Google is forking the kernel? If you could speak out a passionately on those forums as you have here, that would be great. - Ted -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/