Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1760880Ab0HLTsz (ORCPT ); Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:48:55 -0400 Received: from smtp-out.google.com ([74.125.121.35]:10422 "EHLO smtp-out.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754380Ab0HLTsy (ORCPT ); Thu, 12 Aug 2010 15:48:54 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to: cc:content-type:x-system-of-record; b=hgcrQycmgmCWMbFRgAQehnyatKp/zE0Ep9KWJOytgY8sIPfJx/ht9OnOyAKpkDwrM UhWaKEDl+3fWS3VtTu0fg== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20100809181638.GI3026@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20100811222854.GJ2516@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20100812010612.GL2516@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20100812034435.GA7403@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20100812174303.GD2524@linux.vnet.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:48:48 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, take three From: Brian Swetland To: Felipe Contreras Cc: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Theodore Tso , Alan Cox , david@lang.hm, linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, arve@android.com, mjg59@srcf.ucam.org, pavel@ucw.cz, florian@mickler.org, rjw@sisk.pl, stern@rowland.harvard.edu, peterz@infradead.org, tglx@linutronix.de, menage@google.com, david-b@pacbell.net, James.Bottomley@suse.de, arjan@infradead.org, swmike@swm.pp.se, galibert@pobox.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-System-Of-Record: true Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1088 Lines: 26 On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: > > Not Ubuntu, not Fedora, not MeeGo, not anyone with a typical > user-space seems to be having this problem. I can argue to you that > this problem can be solved in easier ways, but instead I will argue > that perhaps we should wait for somebody besides Android to complain > about it before providing a "solution". Because after all, what good > is a "solution" provided by the kernel, if the user-space is not going > to use it, ever. I'm curious, when does Android count as a user of the kernel? I gather that volume of sales or users doesn't count. Do we have to include some percentage of "desktop" Linux? If we're an undesirable second-class citizen, why do people care that "android is forking the kernel"? I guess I don't understand, Brian -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/