Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S934210Ab0HMK6Q (ORCPT ); Fri, 13 Aug 2010 06:58:16 -0400 Received: from mail-yx0-f174.google.com ([209.85.213.174]:44117 "EHLO mail-yx0-f174.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S934193Ab0HMK6O convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Fri, 13 Aug 2010 06:58:14 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=s5RLWCuF0USZS5ZyZhPifZYXJXihacLLe6Lt8QqnK1qGlkgDz96Hz5WnGGgFQbjYiW zQXopKPTBYQo2XzvOj4Ir9ODNTyEecyag62tINh9el/PyB05tyam5ZaZbpUZbYIavEV8 c1Xu7F7zeQCGjs+5AHPiX1EHxHfUBYQQsew/I= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20100809181638.GI3026@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20100811222854.GJ2516@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20100812010612.GL2516@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20100812034435.GA7403@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20100812174303.GD2524@linux.vnet.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:58:12 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, take three From: Felipe Contreras To: Brian Swetland Cc: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Theodore Tso , Alan Cox , david@lang.hm, linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, arve@android.com, mjg59@srcf.ucam.org, pavel@ucw.cz, florian@mickler.org, rjw@sisk.pl, stern@rowland.harvard.edu, peterz@infradead.org, tglx@linutronix.de, menage@google.com, david-b@pacbell.net, James.Bottomley@suse.de, arjan@infradead.org, swmike@swm.pp.se, galibert@pobox.com, dipankar@in.ibm.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1907 Lines: 41 On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:48 PM, Brian Swetland wrote: > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 12:34 PM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> >> Not Ubuntu, not Fedora, not MeeGo, not anyone with a typical >> user-space seems to be having this problem. I can argue to you that >> this problem can be solved in easier ways, but instead I will argue >> that perhaps we should wait for somebody besides Android to complain >> about it before providing a "solution". Because after all, what good >> is a "solution" provided by the kernel, if the user-space is not going >> to use it, ever. > > I'm curious, when does Android count as a user of the kernel?  I > gather that volume of sales or users doesn't count.  Do we have to > include some percentage of "desktop" Linux? You are *one* user of the kernel. Let's suppose Android wasn't using suspend-blockers, and there was another equally successful linux mobile platform, Foobingo, and they were using them, and they were the only ones interested on implementing them. What does that change? Nothing. They still need to convince the community that what they are proposing to be merged is actually useful, and somebody will use it. If not, they can just keep the patch for themselves until they do. I don't see the big deal. > If we're an undesirable second-class citizen, why do people care that > "android is forking the kernel"? Nobody has expressed anything remotely like that (that you are a second-class citizen). Why makes you think so? Lots of people get patches denied. Like Nokia's u_char driver, which is *way* less controversial than this one. -- Felipe Contreras -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/