Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:57:38 +0200
From: Dominik Brodowski <linux@dominikbrodowski.net>
To: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
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> >> Not Ubuntu, not Fedora, not MeeGo, not anyone with a typical
> >> user-space seems to be having this problem. I can argue to you that
> >> this problem can be solved in easier ways, but instead I will argue
> >> that perhaps we should wait for somebody besides Android to complain
> >> about it before providing a "solution". Because after all, what good
> >> is a "solution" provided by the kernel, if the user-space is not going
> >> to use it, ever.
> >
> > At this point in the discussion, I am quite prepared to believe that you
> > will avoid using suspend blockers, and that you will further do everything
> > in your power to prevent anyone else from using suspend blockers. ?;-)
> 
> I'm not tying anybody's hands.
> 
> How are people using real-time linux if it's not on mainline? Well,
> duuh, you apply the patches. If say Fedora was interested on it, they
> could apply the patches, and see for themselves. People do that all
> the time, with the mm tree, with Con Koliva's patches, etc. Once
> people are happy with the results, things get merged. Why should this
> be any different?

Because millions of users are happy -- with Android, including suspend
blockers.

Best,
	Dominik
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