Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S934615Ab0HMQTu (ORCPT ); Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:19:50 -0400 Received: from mail-yw0-f46.google.com ([209.85.213.46]:53718 "EHLO mail-yw0-f46.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1761770Ab0HMQTe convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:19:34 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xedxmhyqCHLx6rsnpYP98ioOH4v8QMu/TBdR28yJMFFLfCw2KJ0qTCotXK+xN8YSzk LgbULRlZP45Szxig0NnSRm5CQlwH6KZThAuF5a845aA6BQ7VlAaYmpc8G3K/Ov98ruzw xDXXK2lUsOAWG181ZgUxyHoi06XgR5U6U7ygc= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20100813155738.GA11507@isilmar-3.linta.de> References: <20100812010612.GL2516@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20100812034435.GA7403@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20100812174303.GD2524@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20100813152254.GD2511@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20100813155738.GA11507@isilmar-3.linta.de> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 19:19:33 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [linux-pm] Attempted summary of suspend-blockers LKML thread, take three From: Felipe Contreras To: Felipe Contreras , paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, david@lang.hm, Theodore Tso , peterz@infradead.org, Brian Swetland , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, James.Bottomley@suse.de, galibert@pobox.com, florian@mickler.org, menage@google.com, linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org, swmike@swm.pp.se, tglx@linutronix.de, Alan Cox , arjan@infradead.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1809 Lines: 38 On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Dominik Brodowski wrote: >> >> Not Ubuntu, not Fedora, not MeeGo, not anyone with a typical >> >> user-space seems to be having this problem. I can argue to you that >> >> this problem can be solved in easier ways, but instead I will argue >> >> that perhaps we should wait for somebody besides Android to complain >> >> about it before providing a "solution". Because after all, what good >> >> is a "solution" provided by the kernel, if the user-space is not going >> >> to use it, ever. >> > >> > At this point in the discussion, I am quite prepared to believe that you >> > will avoid using suspend blockers, and that you will further do everything >> > in your power to prevent anyone else from using suspend blockers.  ;-) >> >> I'm not tying anybody's hands. >> >> How are people using real-time linux if it's not on mainline? Well, >> duuh, you apply the patches. If say Fedora was interested on it, they >> could apply the patches, and see for themselves. People do that all >> the time, with the mm tree, with Con Koliva's patches, etc. Once >> people are happy with the results, things get merged. Why should this >> be any different? > > Because millions of users are happy -- with Android, including suspend > blockers. I explicitly said somebody besides Android, specifically, somebody with a typical linux ecosystem. You are not addressing the argument at hand, that nobody else wants to tackle the issue this way, thus only making the discussion more difficult. -- Felipe Contreras -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/