Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1762099Ab0HMTTH (ORCPT ); Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:19:07 -0400 Received: from fn.samba.org ([216.83.154.106]:36452 "EHLO lists.samba.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755486Ab0HMTTF (ORCPT ); Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:19:05 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:19:00 -0700 From: Jeremy Allison To: Jan Engelhardt Cc: Jeremy Allison , "J. Bruce Fields" , Jeff Layton , Neil Brown , utz lehmann , Linus Torvalds , Volker.Lendecke@sernet.de, David Howells , linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, samba-technical@lists.samba.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, linux-fsde@jasper.es Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/18] xstat: Add a pair of system calls to make extended file stats available [ver #6] Message-ID: <20100813191900.GB8202@samba1> Reply-To: Jeremy Allison References: <1280524978.2452.9.camel@segv.aura.of.mankind> <20100801092529.5e6ba0e0@corrin.poochiereds.net> <20100805235218.GB31233@jeremy-laptop> <20100806133836.49757af9@notabene> <20100808121208.GA7329@jeremy-laptop> <20100808085301.24f53e5a@tlielax.poochiereds.net> <20100808130501.GA9851@jeremy-laptop> <20100813125432.GB8945@fieldses.org> <20100813175410.GA8202@samba1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1392 Lines: 31 On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 09:06:28PM +0200, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > > On Friday 2010-08-13 19:54, Jeremy Allison wrote: > >On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 08:54:32AM -0400, J. Bruce Fields wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 08, 2010 at 06:05:01AM -0700, Jeremy Allison wrote: > >> > We don't need to ape Windows in everything. > >> > The coming ACL disaster will show that (we will go from an ACL > >> > model that is slightly too complex to use, to one that is impossibly > >> > complex to use :-). > >> > >> Care to elaborate? > > > >POSIX ACLs -> RichACLs (NT-style). Not criticising Andreas here, > >people are asking for this. But Windows ACLs are a nightmare > >beyond human comprehension :-). In the "too complex to be > >usable" camp. > > Well, for one, ACLs in NT can be recursive IIRC. You can't say that of Linux > ACLs - instead you have to setfacl -R and setfacl -Rd to give one user access > to a directory and all its subdirs including future new inodes. You do realize that Windows does exactly the same thing under the covers, right ? Watch SMB or SMB2 traffic between a client and Windows server when someone changes an ACL sometime :-). Jeremy -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/