Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:28:04 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:28:03 -0400 Received: from daimi.au.dk ([130.225.16.1]:29649 "EHLO daimi.au.dk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:28:00 -0400 Message-ID: <3CFD3EE5.DAE3E2C9@daimi.au.dk> Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 00:27:49 +0200 From: Kasper Dupont Organization: daimi.au.dk X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pavel Machek CC: Vojtech Pavlik , Derek Vadala , Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, Tedd Hansen , Christian Vik , Lars Christian Nygaard Subject: Re: RAID-6 support in kernel? In-Reply-To:

<20020603113128.C13204@ucw.cz> <20020604154904.J36@toy.ucw.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Pavel Machek wrote: > > Hi! > > > > > It'll waste 9 drives, giving me a total capacity of 7n instead of 14n. > > > > And, by definition, RAID-6 _can_ withstand _any_ two-drive failure. > > > > > > This is certainly not true. > > > > > > Combining N RAID-5 into a stripe wastes on N disks. > > > > > > If you combine two it wastes 2 disks, etc. > > > > > > That is, for each RAID-5 you waste a single disk worth of storage for > > > partiy. I don't know what equation you're using where you get 9 drives > > > from. > > > > He was thinking "mirror", not "stripe". Mirror of 2 RAID-5 arrays (would > > be probably called RAID-15 (when there is a RAID-10 for mirrored stripe > > arrays)), can withstand any two disks failing anytime. Even more for > > RAID-1 over two RAID-5s should withstand any three failures, AFAICS. > > You could do RAID-5 over RAID-5. That should survive any 2 failures and > still be reasonably efficient. It will actually survive any 3 disk failures. It is reasonable if you have a lot of disks. It requires at least 9 disks and I would prefere at least 25 disks. RAID-4 and RAID-5 are very similar. And it happens to be the case that if you only use two disks RAID-1, RAID-4, and RAID-5 are all identical. And each of them can survive a single disk failure. Any two of these RAIDs on top of each other can survive three disk failures. That is true because it takes four disk failures to loose data. On the upper most RAID you must loose two of the lower level RAIDs, each of these two must have lost two disks. RAID-4 on top of RAID-4 is actually just a two-dimentional parity. RAID-5 on top of RAID-5 is very similar. -- Kasper Dupont -- der bruger for meget tid p? usenet. For sending spam use mailto:razor-report@daimi.au.dk - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/