Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:38:58 +0200
From: Uwe =?iso-8859-1?Q?Kleine-K=F6nig?= 
	<u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de>
To: FUJITA Tomonori <fujita.tomonori@lab.ntt.co.jp>
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Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] add
	dma_reserve_coherent_memory()/dma_free_reserved_memory() API
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Hello,

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 03:32:14PM +0900, FUJITA Tomonori wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:23:21 +0300
> Marin Mitov <mitov@issp.bas.bg> wrote:
> 
> > On Friday, August 27, 2010 08:57:59 am FUJITA Tomonori wrote:
> > > On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 07:19:07 +0200
> > > Uwe Kleine-K$(D+S(Bnig <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hey,
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 02:00:17PM +0900, FUJITA Tomonori wrote:
> > > > > On Fri, 27 Aug 2010 06:41:42 +0200
> > > > > Uwe Kleine-K$(D+S(Bnig <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de> wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 07:00:24PM +0900, FUJITA Tomonori wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thu, 26 Aug 2010 11:53:11 +0200
> > > > > > > Uwe Kleine-K$(D+S(Bnig <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de> wrote:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > We have currently a number of boards broken in the mainline. They must be 
> > > > > > > > > > fixed for 2.6.36. I don't think the mentioned API will do this for us. So, 
> > > > > > > > > > as I suggested earlier, we need either this or my patch series
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.sh.devel/8595
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > for 2.6.36.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Why can't you revert a commit that causes the regression?
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > The related DMA API wasn't changed in 2.6.36-rc1. The DMA API is not
> > > > > > > > > responsible for the regression. And the patchset even exnteds the
> > > > > > > > > definition of the DMA API (dma_declare_coherent_memory). Such change
> > > > > > > > > shouldn't applied after rc1. I think that DMA-API.txt says that
> > > > > > > > > dma_declare_coherent_memory() handles coherent memory for a particular
> > > > > > > > > device. It's not for the API that reserves coherent memory that can be
> > > > > > > > > used for any device for a single device.
> > > > > > > > The patch that made the problem obvious for ARM is
> > > > > > > > 309caa9cc6ff39d261264ec4ff10e29489afc8f8 aka v2.6.36-rc1~591^2~2^4~12.
> > > > > > > > So this went in before v2.6.36-rc1.  One of the "architectures which
> > > > > > > > similar restrictions" is x86 BTW.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > And no, we won't revert 309caa9cc6ff39d261264ec4ff10e29489afc8f8 as it
> > > > > > > > addresses a hardware restriction.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > How these drivers were able to work without hitting the hardware restriction?
> > > > > > In my case the machine in question is an ARMv5, the hardware restriction
> > > > > > is on ARMv6+ only.  You could argue that so the breaking patch for arm
> > > > > > should only break ARMv6, but I don't think this is sensible from a
> > > > > > maintainers POV.  We need an API that works independant of the machine
> > > > > > that runs the code.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Agreed. But insisting that the DMA API needs to be extended wrongly
> > > > > after rc2 to fix the regression is not sensible too. The related DMA
> > > > > API wasn't changed in 2.6.36-rc1. The API isn't responsible for the
> > > > > regression at all.
> > > > I think this isn't about "responsiblity".  Someone in arm-land found
> > > > that the way dma memory allocation worked for some time doesn't work
> > > > anymore on new generation chips.  As pointing out this problem was
> > > > expected to find some matches it was merged in the merge window.  One
> > > > such match is the current usage of the DMA API that doesn't currently
> > > > offer a way to do it right, so it needs a patch, no?
> > > 
> > > No, I don't think so. We are talking about a regression, right?
> > > 
> > > On new generation chips, something often doesn't work (which have
> > > worked on old chips for some time). It's not a regresiion. I don't
> > > think that it's sensible to make large change (especially after rc1)
> > > to fix such issue. If you say that the DMA API doesn't work on new
> > > chips and proposes a patch for the next merge window, it's sensible, I
> > > suppose.
> > > 
> > > Btw, the patch isn't a fix for the DMA API. It tries to extend the DMA
> > > API (and IMO in the wrong way). 
> > > In addition, the patch might break the
> > > current code. 
> > 
> > To "break the current code" is simply not possible. Sorry to oppose. As you have written it 
> > "extend the DMA API", so if you do not use the new API (and no current code is using it)
> > you cannot "break the current code". 
> 
> Looks like that the patch adds the new API that touches the exisitng
> code. It means the existing code could break. So the exsising API
> could break too.
> 
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.sh.devel/8595
I'm still trying to find out what you actually suggest we should do now.
Maybe this is a request for a minimal "fix" without the cleanups
Guennadi did?  That is only patches 2(?), 4 and 5 of the series?

Best regards
Uwe

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