Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754205Ab0K1Tql (ORCPT ); Sun, 28 Nov 2010 14:46:41 -0500 Received: from thunk.org ([69.25.196.29]:56438 "EHLO thunker.thunk.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751906Ab0K1Tqi (ORCPT ); Sun, 28 Nov 2010 14:46:38 -0500 Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 14:46:24 -0500 From: "Ted Ts'o" To: Microcai Cc: Lisa Milne , "jonsmirl@gmail.com" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-console@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: VT console need rewrite Message-ID: <20101128194624.GP2767@thunk.org> Mail-Followup-To: Ted Ts'o , Microcai , Lisa Milne , "jonsmirl@gmail.com" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-console@vger.kernel.org References: <1290941875.13526.15.camel@cai.gentoo> <73BC440E-833E-4E1B-ACCC-5D68BAB89D83@mit.edu> <1290951770.13526.18.camel@cai.gentoo> <20101129020610.7ea7c79e.lisa@ltmnet.com> <1290961207.13526.31.camel@cai.gentoo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1290961207.13526.31.camel@cai.gentoo> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: tytso@thunk.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on thunker.thunk.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1288 Lines: 29 On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 12:20:07AM +0800, Microcai wrote: > > > Another possible model: split the current system in 2, so there's a > > bytestream handler, and a vt-legacy module. Then use the interface > > between bytestream/legacy as an interface for future vt-kernel and > > vt-user modules. > > this may cause early printk stop working. Let's start by asking a much more fundamental question; what the heck are your goals? If the main goal of the console is emergency debugging when the system is in a very bad state (i.e., trashed initrd, etc.) do we really even need Unicode support? How many people do regular login, development, reading e-mail, etc., on the console? Very few! If the answer is because you hate X, as you've already pointed out, we already have fbterm. Where is it written that we need to have a full unicode-capable console system? Why is this so important; especially if doing this is going to be very difficult, and risks breaking lots of stuff if we try to mess with it? - Ted -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/