Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:06:16 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:06:15 -0400 Received: from lightning.swansea.linux.org.uk ([194.168.151.1]:22277 "EHLO the-village.bc.nu") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jul 2002 11:06:14 -0400 Subject: Re: Advice saught on math functions To: kirk@braille.uwo.ca (Kirk Reiser) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 16:32:19 +0100 (BST) Cc: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk (Alan Cox), linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: from "Kirk Reiser" at Jul 12, 2002 10:52:07 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Alan Cox Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1535 Lines: 32 > Can you give me more details? I certainly don't mind looking into > this as a possible solution. Are you willing to give up seeing > anything on the screen until init gets started? This is how Nicholas stuff works, you can still get the kernel messages by scrolling back. I'm told this meets S508. > include speech and review capabilities from power up to power down. > Open BIOS and Linux for the first time ever can provide a way for the > blind community to not be a second class citizen to information > access. I am afraid that if I just take the emacspeak approach to > accessibility then my community will stay beholding to others for > their access to available information. I am sorry about the soap-box > preaching but it is a fundamental problem with just user space > solutions. Actually some of this is true for sighted people. You only get console messages after PCI is initialised, until then they are queued away or only on serial console. If you are using a conventional BIOS then the first kernel messages being readable as they occur versus just after seems to have only a little value. If you have a fully accessible LinuxBIOS thats something quite different. In that case can you use a Linuxbios hook for the console speech until user space takes over ? Alan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/