Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:25:20 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:25:20 -0400 Received: from garrincha.netbank.com.br ([200.203.199.88]:42249 "HELO garrincha.netbank.com.br") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 11:25:19 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2002 12:27:56 -0300 (BRT) From: Rik van Riel X-X-Sender: riel@imladris.surriel.com To: Joerg Schilling cc: aia21@cantab.net, Subject: Re: IDE/ATAPI in 2.5 In-Reply-To: <200207141515.g6EFFbhs019189@burner.fokus.gmd.de> Message-ID: X-spambait: aardvark@kernelnewbies.org X-spammeplease: aardvark@nl.linux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1441 Lines: 38 On Sun, 14 Jul 2002, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Well, I get pissed of the fact that it seems to be impossible to have a > technical based discussion in the Linux kernel environment. Then please, show us your technical arguments on why the SCSI layer is enough for every CD writing hardware out there. Now compare them with the results from the NAS and SCSI talks and BoFs at the kernel summit and OLS, where everybody agreed that the current SCSI addressing and discovery schemes just don't cut it on things like iscsi and other network storage solutions. It's not just about the fact that the controller/bus/unit/lun addressing doesn't deal well with network attached storage and multipath, it's also about things like the impossability of device discovery on a bus with 2^32 possible device addresses. This, in turn, makes the current sd[a-z] and sg[a-h] more than a little inadequate. Furthermore, you suddenly require the ability to tell the kernel to talk to devices the kernel doesn't yet know about (because it can't scan 2^32 device addresses at boot time). regards, Rik -- Bravely reimplemented by the knights who say "NIH". http://www.surriel.com/ http://distro.conectiva.com/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/