Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756073Ab1CaAbK (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:31:10 -0400 Received: from mail-iw0-f174.google.com ([209.85.214.174]:54531 "EHLO mail-iw0-f174.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754124Ab1CaAbJ convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Wed, 30 Mar 2011 20:31:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <20110317183048.GW7258@atomide.com> <20110318101512.GA15375@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> <201103301906.42429.arnd@arndb.de> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:31:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] omap changes for v2.6.39 merge window From: Bill Gatliff To: Nicolas Pitre Cc: Linus Torvalds , Arnd Bergmann , Russell King - ARM Linux , Tony Lindgren , David Brown , lkml , linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-omap@vger.kernel.org, Catalin Marinas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1386 Lines: 40 Nico: On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Nicolas Pitre wrote: > > But X86 is peanuts. ?Really. Finally, a voice of reason! > On ARM there is simply not such thing as a single machine design to > clone, and a closed source test bench to design for. ... and there almost certainly won't ever be. I recognize the problems present in the ARM code. But any attempt to homogenize the ARM platform code just doesn't fit with reality. ARM machines are created to solve different problems from PCs, and the diversity in the ARM platform community is a reflection of that. I don't think that all the chaos in the ARM kernel code comes from shite programming; I think it comes from the chaos that is ARM hardware. And I'm highly skeptical that any of these problems can be simply pushed into a bootloader. Most of my clients struggle with the bare-minimum that is required of bootloaders now, and I don't think they are in any way out of the ordinary. I think that the ARM beast has to be tamed with kernel code, because kernel programmers are the best minds available to do it. b.g. -- Bill Gatliff bgat@billgatliff.com -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/