Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755627Ab1DGLoc (ORCPT ); Thu, 7 Apr 2011 07:44:32 -0400 Received: from mail-iy0-f174.google.com ([209.85.210.174]:48075 "EHLO mail-iy0-f174.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753158Ab1DGLob convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Thu, 7 Apr 2011 07:44:31 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=FIW+t61A7onB+jV8NzBBIDM1kPVhoMLQ6qq7rZEizjDhBVvm4Wpxhh8HfknqwVnkAN 03pvCj+m21g1Yjwj6WPKniXdHE5mT65mYF3cSRzbRNpOdqmBJp/xoAtHQqdu6/eT4aVS LHQx5Dowd2QQvrV4MnzpE5pbwplXqgxPo30SM= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20110407082550.GG24879@elte.hu> References: <80b43d57d15f7b141799a7634274ee3bfe5a5855.1302137785.git.luto@mit.edu> <20110407082550.GG24879@elte.hu> From: Andrew Lutomirski Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 07:44:09 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: AaP9uj0dEni63GTieY9Li5spvYE Message-ID: Subject: Re: [RFT/PATCH v2 2/6] x86-64: Optimize vread_tsc's barriers To: Ingo Molnar Cc: Linus Torvalds , Nick Piggin , "David S. Miller" , Eric Dumazet , Peter Zijlstra , x86@kernel.org, Thomas Gleixner , Andi Kleen , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 6355 Lines: 149 On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 4:25 AM, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > (Cc:-ed more memory ordering folks.) > >> --- a/arch/x86/kernel/tsc.c >> +++ b/arch/x86/kernel/tsc.c >> @@ -767,18 +767,41 @@ static cycle_t read_tsc(struct clocksource *cs) >> ?static cycle_t __vsyscall_fn vread_tsc(void) >> ?{ >> ? ? ? cycle_t ret; >> + ? ? u64 zero, last; >> >> ? ? ? /* >> - ? ? ?* Surround the RDTSC by barriers, to make sure it's not >> - ? ? ?* speculated to outside the seqlock critical section and >> - ? ? ?* does not cause time warps: >> + ? ? ?* rdtsc is unordered, and we want it to be ordered like >> + ? ? ?* a load with respect to other CPUs (and we don't want >> + ? ? ?* it to execute absurdly early wrt code on this CPU). >> + ? ? ?* rdtsc_barrier() is a barrier that provides this ordering >> + ? ? ?* with respect to *earlier* loads. ?(Which barrier to use >> + ? ? ?* depends on the CPU.) >> ? ? ? ?*/ >> ? ? ? rdtsc_barrier(); >> - ? ? ret = (cycle_t)vget_cycles(); >> - ? ? rdtsc_barrier(); >> >> - ? ? return ret >= VVAR(vsyscall_gtod_data).clock.cycle_last ? >> - ? ? ? ? ? ? ret : VVAR(vsyscall_gtod_data).clock.cycle_last; >> + ? ? asm volatile ("rdtsc\n\t" >> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? "shl $0x20,%%rdx\n\t" >> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? "or %%rdx,%%rax\n\t" >> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? "shl $0x20,%%rdx" >> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? : "=a" (ret), "=d" (zero) : : "cc"); >> + >> + ? ? /* >> + ? ? ?* zero == 0, but as far as the processor is concerned, zero >> + ? ? ?* depends on the output of rdtsc. ?So we can use it as a >> + ? ? ?* load barrier by loading something that depends on it. >> + ? ? ?* x86-64 keeps all loads in order wrt each other, so this >> + ? ? ?* ensures that rdtsc is ordered wrt all later loads. >> + ? ? ?*/ >> + >> + ? ? /* >> + ? ? ?* This doesn't multiply 'zero' by anything, which *should* >> + ? ? ?* generate nicer code, except that gcc cleverly embeds the >> + ? ? ?* dereference into the cmp and the cmovae. ?Oh, well. >> + ? ? ?*/ >> + ? ? last = *( (cycle_t *) >> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ((char *)&VVAR(vsyscall_gtod_data).clock.cycle_last + zero) ); >> + >> + ? ? return ret >= last ? ret : last; > > Ok, that's like totally sick ;-) > > It's a software barrier in essence, using data dependency obfuscation. > > First objection would be the extra memory references: we have a general > aversion against memory references. The memory reference here is arguably > special, it is to the stack so should be in cache and should be pretty fast. > > But the code really looks too tricky for its own good. > > For example this assumption: > >> The trick is that the answer should not actually change as a result >> of the sneaky memory access. ?I accomplish this by shifting rdx left >> by 32 bits, twice, to generate the number zero. ?(I can't imagine >> that any CPU can break that dependency.) ?Then I use "zero" as an > > is not particularly future-proof. Yes, i doubt any CPU will bother to figure > out the data dependency across such a sequence, but synthetic CPUs might and > who knows what the far future brings. That's fixable with a bit more work. Imagine (whitespace damanged): asm volatile ("rdtsc\n\t" "shl $0x20,%%rdx\n\t" "or %%rdx,%%rax\n\t" "shr $0x3f,%%rdx" : "=a" (ret), "=d" (zero_or_one) : : "cc"); last = VVAR(vsyscall_gtod_data).clock.cycle_last[zero_or_one]; For this to work, cycle_last would have to be an array containing two identical values, and we'd want to be a little careful to keep the whole mess in one cacheline. Now I think it's really safe because zero_or_one isn't constant at all, so the CPU has to wait for its value no matter how clever it is. > > Also, do we *really* have RDTSC SMP-coherency guarantees on multi-socket CPUs > today? It now works on multi-core, but on bigger NUMA i strongly doubt it. So > this hack tries to preserve something that we wont be able to offer anyway. > > So the much better optimization would be to give up on exact GTOD coherency and > just make sure the same task does not see time going backwards. If user-space > wants precise coherency it can use synchronization primitives itsef. By default > it would get the fast and possibly off by a few cycles thing instead. We'd > never be seriously jump in time - only small jumps would happen in practice, > depending on CPU parallelism effects. > > If we do that then the optimization would be to RDTSC and not use *any* of the > barriers, neither the hardware ones nor your tricky software data-dependency > obfuscation barrier. IIRC I measured 200ns time warps on Sandy Bridge when I tried that. (I think you won't see them that easily with time-warp-test in TSC mode, because there's a locking instruction before the rdtsc and very close to it.) It would save about 4ns more, I think, which isn't bad. Personally, I'm working on this code because I'm migrating a bunch of code that likes to timestamp itself from Windows to Linux, and one of the really big attractions to Linux is that it has clock_gettime, which is fast, pretty much warp-free, and actually shows *wall* time with high precision. The closest thing that Windows has is QueryPerformanceCounter, which is a giant PITA because it doesn't track wall time (although it's still slightly faster than clock_gettime even with this patch). If I have to re-add software-enforced clock coherency to the Linux version, I'll be sad. --Andy > > Note that doing this will also have other advantages: we wont really need > alternatives patching, thus we could more easily move this code into .S - which > would allow further optimizations, such as the elimination of this GCC > inflicted slowdown: > >> + ? ? /* >> + ? ? ?* This doesn't multiply 'zero' by anything, which *should* >> + ? ? ?* generate nicer code, except that gcc cleverly embeds the >> + ? ? ?* dereference into the cmp and the cmovae. ?Oh, well. >> + ? ? ?*/ >> + ? ? last = *( (cycle_t *) >> + ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ((char *)&VVAR(vsyscall_gtod_data).clock.cycle_last + zero) ); >> + >> + ? ? return ret >= last ? ret : last; > > Thanks, > > ? ? ? ?Ingo > -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/