Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756056Ab1DMR54 (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:57:56 -0400 Received: from lucidpixels.com ([75.144.35.66]:34505 "EHLO lucidpixels.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754959Ab1DMR5y (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:57:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 13:57:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Justin Piszcz To: Daniel Halperin cc: Ivo Van Doorn , linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: 2.6.38: rt2800usb: high latency (1000ms)? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="655872-826444373-1302717472=:16793" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 4312 Lines: 125 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --655872-826444373-1302717472=:16793 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Wed, 13 Apr 2011, Daniel Halperin wrote: > Ugh! Couldn't you configure the stupid mailing list filter to only > drop rich text mails that have [PATCH or [RFC or [RFT in the subject, > e.g.? Original mail below. > > (sorry for the resend, Justin and Ivo). > > Dan > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Daniel Halperin > wrote: >> >> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Justin Piszcz = wrote: >>>> >>>> Can you try disabling powersaving? >>>> iwconfig wlan0 power off >>>> >>> Wow! That was it, now its interactive again. >>> >>> 64 bytes from wireless-host (192.168.1.2): icmp_req=3D1 ttl=3D64 time= =3D0.581 ms >>> 64 bytes from wireless-host (192.168.1.2): icmp_req=3D2 ttl=3D64 time= =3D0.647 ms >>> >>> Thanks, so its recommend to keep this off then, can that be set as the = driver default? >>> >> >> That's a bad idea, what you're seeing is likely completely a red herring= =2E=A0Wi-Fi power saving mode saves energy by putting the RF hardware most = of the time. This is a Good Thing. >> Power save is designed to kick in only when the load is very slow; the c= lient's network stack should automatically disable power save during times = of high load, e.g., during a download or a VoIP call. You should run some t= ests to see if this is actually occurring; there may be a bug in the rtl im= plementation. >> The real problem here is that your ping test has invalid assumptions. On= e packet/second is not enough load to disable Wi-Fi power save, so you shou= ld not see interactive ping times. Again, this is a good thing and somethin= g I doubt you want to disable! (Assuming that RTL's implementation isn't fu= ndamentally broken elsewhere) It certainly should NOT be the driver default= =2E >> Try again with sudo ping -i 0.01 -s 1400 (e.g., to ping with large packe= ts every 10 ms); this should probably trigger the logic that automatically = disables the power saving mode. Or try pinging while doing a 1 Mbit UDP tra= nsfer (e.g., with iperf). >> Dan > Hi, When powersave is enabled, it is very jumpy, I've used satellite comms befo= re and (~600ms-1200ms was more smooth) as it did not jump around as much. The application is just a standalone desktop with minimal activity for the majo= rity of the time, maybe thats why.. With powersave disabled, I now see 0% packet loss (802.11n) and low ping times, this looks like the proper solution for the wireless USB device I am using. By the way, is it possible/are there wireless USB devices out th= ere that support wake on wireless lan (WOWL? Your ping command with power off: 1408 bytes from server (192.168.1.2): icmp_req=3D539 ttl=3D64 time=3D1.07 m= s 1408 bytes from server (192.168.1.2): icmp_req=3D540 ttl=3D64 time=3D1.31 m= s 1408 bytes from server (192.168.1.2): icmp_req=3D541 ttl=3D64 time=3D1.07 m= s 1408 bytes from server (192.168.1.2): icmp_req=3D542 ttl=3D64 time=3D1.26 m= s Your ping command with power on: 1408 bytes from server (192.168.1.2): icmp_req=3D649 ttl=3D64 time=3D1.80 m= s 1408 bytes from server (192.168.1.2): icmp_req=3D650 ttl=3D64 time=3D1.85 m= s 1408 bytes from server (192.168.1.2): icmp_req=3D651 ttl=3D64 time=3D2.86 m= s 1408 bytes from server (192.168.1.2): icmp_req=3D652 ttl=3D64 time=3D1.46 m= s You are correct, if there is a lot of traffic, its good, but if the system is relatively idle and all that's going on is an SSH session, there is horr= ible latency. So the fix/workaround, for Debian-based distributions (if you come across= =20 this problem): File: /etc/network/interfaces -- snip -- # Wireless auto wlan0 iface wlan0 inet dhcp wpa-ssid your-ssid wpa-psk your-private-key post-up /sbin/iwconfig wlan0 power off -- snip -- Justin. --655872-826444373-1302717472=:16793-- -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/