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Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 21:53:33 +0200
From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: jan.kratochvil@redhat.com, vda.linux@googlemail.com,
        linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
        akpm@linux-foundation.org, indan@nul.nu
Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/11] ptrace: move JOBCTL_TRAPPING wait to wait(2) and
 ptrace_check_attach()
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Hello,

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 06:49:47PM +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> On 05/08, Tejun Heo wrote:
> > this patch moves TRAPPING wait from attach completion path to
> > operations which are actually affected by the transition - wait(2) and
> > following ptrace(2) requests.
> 
> You know, I'd wish I could find the serious bugs in this patch. The
> code becomes really hairy. -EAGAIN in do_wait() doesn't make it more
> simple ;)

I don't know.  Why is retrying hairy?  The whole waiting logic is
built for clean retries.  The suggested change just does it without
intervening sleeping and waking up.  I don't see anything particularly
hairy there.

> > Both wait and ptrace paths are updated to retry the operation after
> > TRAPPING wait.  Note that wait_task_stopped() now always grabs siglock
> > for ptrace waits.  This can be avoided with "task_stopped_code() ->
> > rmb() -> TRAPPING -> rmb() -> task_stopped_code()" sequence
> 
> And so far I think this would be better, because it seems we can avoid
> the retry logic.

Well, the above memory barrier dance wouldn't really change whether
retry logic is required or not and I'd _really_ like to avoid complex
barrier dances.  Even the typical write-B wmb() write-A / read-A rmb()
read-B barriers often confuse people.  I don't wanna throw in stacked
wmb()/rmb() pairs there even if that means an extra locking for ptrace
waits.

> First of all, this patch returns one of the user-visible and undesirable
> changes. The tracer know that the task is stopped, attaches, and then it
> can see the TASK_RUNNING tracee after ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACH) returns.

Yes, it does.  Sorry about forgetting to mention it in the patch
description.  I believe this is something we can swallow.

> I agree, this looks minor. But if we can tolerate this, probably we can
> tolerate another oddity: wait_task_stopped() can succeed and eat the
> stop code before the tracee actually stopps, no?
> 
> IOW, ignoring mb's and read-ordering, suppose that we simply change
> task_stopped_code:
> 
> 		if (ptrace) {
> 	-		if (task_is_stopped_or_traced(p))
> 	+		if (task_is_traced(p) || JOBCTL_TRAPPING)
> 				return &p->exit_code;
> 		} else {
> 
> As for ptrace_check_attach(), it can simply do wait_event(), we
> only need to verify the caller is the tracer. No need to play with
> lock/unlock/retry.
> 
> What do you think?

Hmmm... interesting.  Yeah, the state is visible only through wait(2)
and ptrace(2) and for wait(2) TRAPPING is as good as STOPPED/TRACED
and we can wait all we want in ptrace_check_attach().  I'll think more
about it but seems like a nice idea.

Thank you.

-- 
tejun
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