Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:51:08 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:51:08 -0400 Received: from mion.elka.pw.edu.pl ([194.29.160.35]:13796 "EHLO mion.elka.pw.edu.pl") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 24 Jul 2002 21:51:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 03:54:06 +0200 (MET DST) From: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz To: Linus Torvalds cc: Daniel Egger , Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: Linux-2.5.28 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2863 Lines: 79 Hi! On Wed, 24 Jul 2002, Linus Torvalds wrote: > On 25 Jul 2002, Daniel Egger wrote: > > Am Don, 2002-07-25 um 00.52 schrieb Linus Torvalds: > > > > > Actually, that patch _was_ on the mailing list, with lots of discussion. > > > > So IDE-101 equals to the small snippet of code pasted somewhere in the > > evil flamewar? > > Have you _looked_ at the full changelog? Apparently not. > > The snippet was posted as part of the IDE-2.5.27 thread. Go look for it > yourself. In addition, I asked Martin to send it to me separately, to > verify that he hadn't had other issues too. The full changelog has that > email. Yes, but the code actually is only this fix. > > > And since none of the discussion was civil, it didn't get a changelog. But > > > you can search it out yourself. > > > > Especially since the IDE code at the moment is not really something I > > would trust uncoditionally a bit more comentary would be adequate IMHO, > > even if it's just a: "Fixed race introduced in IDE-97, see flamewar"... > > Most of the IDE stuff is FUD and misinformation. I've run every single > 2.5.x kernel on an IDE system ("penguin.transmeta.com" has everything on > IDE), and the main reported 2.5.27 corruption was actually from my BK tree > apparently due to the IRQ handling changes. I wish it was misinformation. > > Perhaps not everyone wanting to use 2.5.x for some development is > > eager to disassemble a patch to see whether it might be usable or > > trash the partition even more badly (given that one has the knowledge > > to judge for her-/himself). > > The thing I dislike is how people who apparently haven't even read the > discussions, and didn't bother to look up the full changelog feel that > they are perfectly fine to spread FUD and misinformation about the IDE > layer. > > Do we have issues there? Yes. But there are actually _more_ problems with > people dissing the work than with the code itself. No, I worked on this code really hard for some time. Just got tired listening to flacky ideas and syncing against intendation/whitespaces changes. The biggest problem with IDE is not code or dissing people, but _the way_ of changes... And the thing I dislike is how people who apparently haven't read carefully every ide-clean patch, and didn't bother to look up the full track of changes (2.4 -> 2.5) feel that they are perfectly fine to make such statements ;-). > Linus Linus, please don't add me to .killmail for this mail yet :-). It is really _the last_ mail on this subject. Yep, I did too much of this dissing lately... ...and it was really not needed. Regards -- Bartlomiej - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/