Subject: Re: [bg-linux] [PATCH 6/7] [RFC] enable early TLBs for BG/P
From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Kazutomo Yoshii <kazutomo@mcs.anl.gov>
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> Unfortunately, the firmware is also required:
> - to configure Blue Gene Interrupt Controller(BIC)

Can't we just write bare metal code for that ?

> - to configure Torus DMA unit. e.g. fifo

Same

> - to configure global interrupt (even we don't use, we need to disable 
> some channel correctly)

Same

> - to access node personality information (node id, DDR size, HZ, etc) or 
> maybe we can directly access SRAM?

That should be turned into device-tree at boot, possibly from a
bootloader or from the zImage wrapper.

> etc, etc.
> 
> >> As such the IO Node guys, the Compute Node Kernel guys and the
> >> ZeptoOS guys use it quite a bit.  The kittyhawk guys on the other hand
> >> barely use it at all, in fact I believe they do all the interaction with
> >> it during uboot and then shut it off.
> >>      
> >    
> (I'm one of the ZeptoOS guys, btw)

Heh ok.

> As a regular ppc linux usage, our firmware dependency is minimum as well.
> However,  with our HPC extension, the firmware functions are called when
> it configures BGP specific network hardware.
> 
> We are not planning to submit our HPC extension here anytime soon
> because our work is very special purpose and includes lots of dirty hack 
> right now.

Ok.

Cheers,
Ben.

> Thanks,
> Kaz
> > I would prefer that approach.
> >
> >    
> >> IIRC, the sticky question is RAS support, there are certain things it
> >> wants to jump to firmware to deal with and expects things to be mapped
> >> an pinned into memory.
> >>
> >> Furthermore, I think it may make assumptions about where in the TLB the
> >> mappings are.
> >>      
> > This is gross, especially on a system with only 64 SW loaded TLB
> > entries :-(
> >
> >    
> >> Since the kittyhawk guys
> >> obviously ignore this by shutting it down, its not clear just how
> >> important this is.  I'm game to
> >> try the dynamic mapping as you suggest if you would prefer it.
> >>      
> > I would yes, we can sort things out later for RAS.
> >
> >    
> >> Its worth mentioning that I believe with BG/Q, the plan is to rely on
> >> the firmware even more extensively, but I haven't looked at any of the code yet to verify
> >> whether or not this is true.
> >>      
> > This is tantamount to linking a binary blob with the kernel ... it's a
> > fine line. At some point we might refuse the patches if they go too far
> > in that direction.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Ben.
> >
> >    
> >>       -eric
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