Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1757477Ab1EZLsR (ORCPT ); Thu, 26 May 2011 07:48:17 -0400 Received: from esgaroth.petrovitsch.at ([78.47.184.11]:6240 "EHLO esgaroth.petrovitsch.priv.at" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1757245Ab1EZLsD (ORCPT ); Thu, 26 May 2011 07:48:03 -0400 X-Greylist: delayed 1035 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at vger.kernel.org; Thu, 26 May 2011 07:48:00 EDT X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 unknown-host p4QBUdHw019606 Subject: Re: UNIX Compatibility From: Bernd Petrovitsch To: Michael Witten Cc: "Ted Ts'o" , Mike Galbraith , Richard Yao , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: References: <20110524181619.GC26055@thunk.org> <1306297108.4819.28.camel@marge.simson.net> <64e4614dda6f4558a68a314d7b5979b5-mfwitten@gmail.com> <20110525143602.GE8476@thunk.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 13:30:39 +0200 Message-ID: <1306409439.28597.81.camel@thorin> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.3 (2.30.3-1.fc13) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-DCC-URT-Metrics: esgaroth.petrovitsch.priv.at; whitelist Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1362 Lines: 35 On Mit, 2011-05-25 at 15:17 +0000, Michael Witten wrote: [...] > What needs to die is the tyranny of the hackers. The problem with that is, that it is replaced with a tyranny of some others like marketing folks, sales droids or paper pushers - which is even worse, especially if the "decision" is a compromise. Think about why there are so many "bad" standards. Mainly because most of them (if not all) are a compromise to fit to already existing implementations of competing vendors .... Or take the "unlink a directory gives EPERM" example: why is it specified with an errno that indicates that the user is not allowed to remove it (and not that the sys-call is the wrong one). > Humans are capable of organizing themselves better than just acquiscing to > whomever is capable of imposing himself fastest. If it's with (self written) good patches, it's a good thing. Imposing with a (not necessarily self-written) presentation at a meeting is something completely different .... Bernd -- Bernd Petrovitsch Email : bernd@petrovitsch.priv.at LUGA : http://www.luga.at -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/