Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 11:56:21 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 11:56:21 -0400 Received: from bitmover.com ([192.132.92.2]:60814 "EHLO bitmover.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 11:56:20 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 08:59:31 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Rik van Riel Cc: Federico Ferreres , Alexander Viro , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Funding GPL projects or funding the GPL? Message-ID: <20020727085931.X26813@work.bitmover.com> Mail-Followup-To: Larry McVoy , Rik van Riel , Federico Ferreres , Alexander Viro , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <1027754619.2529.48.camel@fede> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from riel@conectiva.com.br on Sat, Jul 27, 2002 at 12:42:14PM -0300 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2125 Lines: 40 On Sat, Jul 27, 2002 at 12:42:14PM -0300, Rik van Riel wrote: > On 27 Jul 2002, Federico Ferreres wrote: > > It works for Microsoft and they make crappy software which is also > > You want us to make crappy software with silly restrictions, too ? Cute. How about we ease off on this guy a bit and ask ourselves if he doesn't have a point? It's not clear that he has the right answer but it is blindingly clear that pure open source business models don't work. Every single one of them which has any success has found a way to derive money from some other source to fund the open source development. You could argue that everything is fine and you'd be wrong. Not all applications can find a way to piggyback on some other sale. Consider a Word replacement, how do you generate money for that? You can't tie it to hardware sales, you can try the support route but that isn't going to work, so what do you do? And there are a million other apps which are the same. It's easy to beat up on this guy but he's trying to find a reasonable compromise which allows open source to be self sustaining for all projects. That's a great goal. Right now, open source funding is a joke. Microsoft wipes their butt with more money than all of the open source revenue put together. Yeah, it's very macho to say that you'll program circles around them, but it's also wrong. You may in one or two areas but they have a zillion apps that lawyers and doctors and other non-geeks use every day. Where is the money for those apps? It's sure as hell not coming from "donations". So how about we all cut the guy some slack, maybe he's misdirected, maybe he has the wrong answer, but he's not working on the wrong problem in my opinion. Try helping him, it might be in our best interest to do so. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/