Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 12:04:02 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 12:04:02 -0400 Received: from garrincha.netbank.com.br ([200.203.199.88]:34063 "HELO garrincha.netbank.com.br") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id ; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 12:04:01 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 13:06:56 -0300 (BRT) From: Rik van Riel X-X-Sender: riel@imladris.surriel.com To: Larry McVoy cc: Federico Ferreres , Alexander Viro , Subject: Re: Funding GPL projects or funding the GPL? In-Reply-To: <20020727085931.X26813@work.bitmover.com> Message-ID: X-spambait: aardvark@kernelnewbies.org X-spammeplease: aardvark@nl.linux.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1805 Lines: 45 On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Larry McVoy wrote: > On Sat, Jul 27, 2002 at 12:42:14PM -0300, Rik van Riel wrote: > > On 27 Jul 2002, Federico Ferreres wrote: > > > It works for Microsoft and they make crappy software which is also > > > > You want us to make crappy software with silly restrictions, too ? > > Cute. How about we ease off on this guy a bit and ask ourselves if he > doesn't have a point? It's not clear that he has the right answer but > it is blindingly clear that pure open source business models don't work. > ... but they have a zillion apps that lawyers and doctors and other > non-geeks use every day. Where is the money for those apps? It's sure > as hell not coming from "donations". Agreed. What we need is funding for the development of those things which aren't already taken care of by the community. In the areas where open source software is doing well, there already is funding by interested parties (companies, government, universities, ...). Some other areas won't ever get the funding through donations, simply because people will freeload whenever they can and try funding development as much as they can. We've seen that with BitKeeper and you had to "tighten up" the license a bit in order to make sure development stayed funded. In short, I believe the voluntary donations aren't needed in most areas people would donate to and won't make enough of an impact in the areas where they are needed. regards, Rik -- Bravely reimplemented by the knights who say "NIH". http://www.surriel.com/ http://distro.conectiva.com/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/