Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:42:49 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:42:49 -0400 Received: from neon-gw-l3.transmeta.com ([63.209.4.196]:8721 "EHLO neon-gw.transmeta.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Sat, 27 Jul 2002 22:42:48 -0400 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 19:47:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Linus Torvalds To: Andries Brouwer cc: Daniel Egger , Kernel Mailing List , Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz Subject: Re: Linux-2.5.28 In-Reply-To: <20020727235726.GB26742@win.tue.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2464 Lines: 57 On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Andries Brouwer wrote: > On Wed, Jul 24, 2002 at 06:08:48PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > Most of the IDE stuff is FUD and misinformation. I've run every single > > 2.5.x kernel on an IDE system ("penguin.transmeta.com" has everything on > > IDE), and the main reported 2.5.27 corruption was actually from my BK tree > > apparently due to the IRQ handling changes. > > Linus, Linus, how can you say something so naive? > I need not tell you that one user without problems does not imply > that nobody will have problems. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that there _are_ problems with IDE, but that the real problem with IDE is that some people aren't even willing to help despite the fact that we do have a maintainer that actually can work with people. I realize that so many people are probably used to the fact that IDE maintainers do not take patches from the outside that people have kind of given up on even working on IDE, but it doesn't help to have people only be negative (and btw, I'm definitely not talking about you - you've been exceedingly _positive_ in that you're still willing to test and report on problems. I'm talking about people who don't even bother to do bug-reports, but only trash-talk the maintenance). > A few people reported lost filesystems. Many more reported mild > filesystem damage. And now you also report mild filesystem damage. No, I've not reported lost filesystems. I'm reporting that _others_ reported filesystem damage that was _not_ related to the IDE patches at all, yet were instantly blamed on the IDE patches. And THAT is part of the problem. I don't know why, but the IDE subsystem brings out the worst in people. This is, btw, one reason why I hate mid layers. People blame them for everything, and fixing it for one setup breaks it for another. > My third candidate is USB. Systems without USB are clearly more stable. Hmm.. I doubt that's your problem, but you might just want to pester Martin about your particular IDE setup and see if some light eventually goes off somewhere. I have this memory that you're using PIO mode? Please do make full details available, reminding people which exact setups are broken.. Linus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/