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On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 10:46:55PM -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
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> I think you misread my comment, it was not "why doesn't the documentation
> say this" but rather "why does software RAID have this problem?"

Ok, my bad.

 - btw. I CC'ed linux-raid as this is getting a little OT for
   linux-kernel.  Let's let the thread migrate to linux-raid instead...

> I know
> this can happen in theory, but it seems that the docs imply that this
> isn't a surprise in practice. I've been running systems with SCSI RAID and

I would say it's not a surprise as such, but it's something that really
should be a very very rare occurrance.

I've seen it maybe once on a production system, having run MD on quite a
few computers for the past half decade.  And I've had a few handfulls of
people asking me about it over the years.

...
> I just surprised that the software RAID doesn't have better luck with
> this, I don't see any magic other than maybe a bus reset the firmware
> would be doing, and I'm wondering why this seems to be common with Linux.

I don't have the impression that it is common on stable hardware.  Can
anyone who runs SW RAID on a number (greater than 1) of machines comment
on this ?

However, some people run their RAID-5 arrays on the same SCSI busses as
their Zip drives, their scanners, and five other el-cheapo almost-scsi
devices, and that is just *bound* to cause this kind of mess when one of
the devices decide to lock up the bus.

You don't see this with HW raid because you don't put your $15
almost-scsi magic-foo device on your $2k HW RAID controller.

There might be other simple reasons why some HW cards don't show this
behaviour - they might simply maintain their superblocks differently
from Linux SW RAID.   I have *no* idea how current controllers do this.

> Or am I misreading the frequency with which it happens?

I hope  ;)

At least in the "stable hardware" situation.  Comments, please...

...
> Thye words are clear, I'm surprised at the behaviour. Yes, I know that's
> not your thing.

I *will* be surprised if it turns out that this is really a common
occurrence for people.   :)

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