Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 05:30:02 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 05:30:02 -0400 Received: from hermine.idb.hist.no ([158.38.50.15]:53263 "HELO hermine.idb.hist.no") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id ; Thu, 1 Aug 2002 05:30:01 -0400 Message-ID: <3D49006C.12ABC6FC@aitel.hist.no> Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 11:33:33 +0200 From: Helge Hafting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [no] (X11; U; Linux 2.5.29 i686) X-Accept-Language: no, en, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Lang CC: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [2.6] The List, pass #2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1499 Lines: 38 David Lang wrote: > > > > o Remove all hardwired drivers from kernel > > > > I really hope this means drivers MAY be used as modules, not MUST. There > > is some overhead in doing things as modules, and added complexity usually > > means "harder to debug." Particularly with modules where there can be > > corner conditions and races on [un]load. > > Bill, > Several people (IIRC including Alan Cox) would like to make many of the > modules (network cards and scsi drivers for example) mandatory, requiring > use of an initrd (or it's replacement) on all boot setups. As far as I know, they plan on doing things like disk partition detection outside the kernel, i.e. in a userspace program. That clearly require a initrd (or similiar) for anybody with root on a partitioned disk. Lots of other bootup initialization, like DHCP, might move to userspace as well. This gives a smaller and safer kernel. I cannot see this requiring modules though. Even a kernel without any module support at all should work fine for those who compile their own. Redhat and other distributors may be interested in shipping a completely modular kernel that loads modules from that initrd, but that certainly won't be a _requirement_ for all kernels. Helge Hafting - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/