Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:00:01 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 13:00:00 -0400 Received: from neon-gw-l3.transmeta.com ([63.209.4.196]:7945 "EHLO neon-gw.transmeta.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:59:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:51:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Linus Torvalds To: Rob Landley cc: Alan Cox , Daniel Phillips , Larry McVoy , Rik van Riel , , , David Mosberger , "David S. Miller" , , , William Lee Irwin III , Subject: Re: large page patch (fwd) (fwd) In-Reply-To: <200208131636.g7DGaUZ265560@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2157 Lines: 46 On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Rob Landley wrote: > > Last time I really looked into all this, Stallman was trying to do an > enormous new GPL 3.0, addressing application service providers. That seems > to have fallen though (as has the ASP business model), but the patent issue > remains unresolved. At least one problem is exactly the politics played by the FSF, which means that a lot of people (not just me), do not trust such new versions of the GPL. Especially since the last time this happened, it all happened in dark back-rooms, and I got to hear about it not off any of the lists, but because I had an insider snitch on it. I lost all respect I had for the FSF due to its sneakiness. The kernel explicitly states that it is under the _one_ particular version of the "GPL v2" that is included with the kernel. Exactly because I do not want to have politics dragged into the picture by an external party (and I'm anal enough that I made sure that "version 2" cannot be misconstrued to include "version 2.1". Also, a license is a two-way street. I do not think it is morally right to change an _existing_ license for any other reason than the fact that it has some technical legal problem. I intensely dislike the fact that many people seem to want to extend the current GPL as a way to take advantage of people who used the old GPL and agreed with _that_ - but not necessarily the new one. As a result, every time this comes up, I ask for any potential new "patent-GPL" to be a _new_ license, and not try to feed off existing works. Please dopn't make it "GPL". Make it the GPPL for "General Public Patent License" or something. And let people buy into it on its own merits, not on some "the FSF decided unilaterally to make this decision for us". I don't like patents. But I absolutely _hate_ people who play politics with other peoples code. Be up-front, not sneaky after-the-fact. Linus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/