Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:31:49 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:31:48 -0400 Received: from pimout4-ext.prodigy.net ([207.115.63.103]:62672 "EHLO pimout4-ext.prodigy.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:31:48 -0400 Message-Id: <200208131835.g7DIZad104256@pimout4-ext.prodigy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Rob Landley To: Rik van Riel Subject: Re: large page patch (fwd) (fwd) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:35:30 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] Cc: References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1954 Lines: 43 On Tuesday 13 August 2002 01:59 pm, Rik van Riel wrote: > On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Rik van Riel wrote: > > > Having a license that explicitly states that people who > > > contribute and use Linux shouldn't sue you over it might > > > prevent some problems. > > > > The thing is, if you own the patent, and you sneaked the code into the > > kernel, you will almost certainly be laughed out of court for trying to > > enforce it. > > Apparently not everybody agrees on this: > > http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1106-884681.html This is just a case of IBM's left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. An official representative of IBM gave statements to the committee that their contributions were unencumbered. If he honestly was acting in his capacity as a representative of IBM, and had the authority to make that statement, then that statement IS permission equivalent to a royalty-free license to use the patent. Going through court to prove this could, of course, take years and millions of dollars, and nobody's going to use the standard until it's resolved, which is why everybody's groaning that big blue is being either evil or really really stupid by not just giving in on this one. It's a PR black eye for IBM ("We're big, we're blue, we're dumb") but doesn't change the nature of the legal arguments... Any time ANYBODY sues you, no matter how frivolous, it could easily be long and exensive. That's why you countersue for damages and get them to pay your costs for the trial if you win, plus punitive damages, plus pain and suffering, plus a stupidity tax, plus...) This topic's wandering a bit far afield. CC: list trimmed... Rob - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/