Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:57:48 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:57:48 -0400 Received: from roc-24-93-20-125.rochester.rr.com ([24.93.20.125]:9200 "EHLO www.kroptech.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 13 Aug 2002 19:57:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:01:32 -0400 From: Adam Kropelin To: Andrew Morton Cc: lkml , riel@conectiva.com.br Subject: Re: [patch 1/21] random fixes Message-ID: <20020814000132.GA24107@www.kroptech.com> References: <20020811142938.GA681@www.kroptech.com> <3D56A83E.ECF747C6@zip.com.au> <20020812002739.GA778@www.kroptech.com> <3D57406E.D39E9B89@zip.com.au> <20020813002603.GA20817@www.kroptech.com> <3D5857A4.FE358FA2@zip.com.au> <20020813022550.GA6810@www.kroptech.com> <3D587706.A0F2DC21@zip.com.au> <20020813041011.GA12227@www.kroptech.com> <3D5899DB.B087E40D@zip.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3D5899DB.B087E40D@zip.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 5206 Lines: 122 On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 10:32:11PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote: > Adam Kropelin wrote: > > > > On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 08:03:34PM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote: > > > OK, tried that against a slow disk (13 megs/sec write bandwidth). 2.5.31, > > > defalt writeback settings. > > > > > > ext3 is misbehaving: > > > and takes 86 seconds. > > > > > > When the server is writing to ext2, it is good: > > > and the transfer takes 54 seconds, which is wirespeed. > > > > > > Are you _sure_ it was bad with ext2? > > > > Yes. ...but I was wrong. > Sure looks like ext3. ..it was. *Actually* switching to ext2 (rather than just pretending) made a tremendous difference. New numbers: 2.5.31-stock: 1m 49s 2.5.31-akpm: 1m 50s 2.4.19-stock: 1m 34s ...but, applying the writeout threshold settings you suggested: 2.5.31-stock: 1m 34s 2.5.31-akpm: 1m 34s (That's with dirty_background at 30%; 10% turned in the same numbers as 30% did.) Presumably with the disk as the bottleneck, the -akpm changes aren't expected to do much. At least they're not degrading anything. > So your wirespeed actually exceeds the disk speed. That changes things. ... > > batch_requests = 1; > And in fs/mpage.c, set RATELIMIT_PAGES to 16. These changes didn't have as much effect as the threshold tweaks: 2.5.31-stock: 1m 39s ..unless I added in the threshold tweaks as well, in which case: 2.5.31-stock: 1m 34s ...which is the same as the threshold tweaks alone. > The application has to block, but the disk should certainly never > fall idle. I'll play with this a bit. IDE ceased to be an option > in 2.5.30, which does not aid this effort. With ext2 and the threshold tweaks it never becomes idle. That is clearly an ext3 issue now. > fix one thing and break another. Not a lot of effort has been put into > fine tuning 2.5 for smoothness and latency thus far. Understandably. I think it says a lot already that an untuned development kernel can match the current release kernel. I'm sure once 2.5 gets into the tweak 'n tune cycle we'll see it beating 2.4 hands down. Actually 2.5 writeout to ext2 is far smoother than 2.4 already: 2.4.19: procs memory swap io system cpu r b w swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id 1 0 2 0 4400 1788 140520 0 0 0 7776 7434 892 2 47 51 1 0 2 0 4408 1796 140492 0 0 0 7868 7315 873 0 50 50 1 0 3 0 4428 1804 140484 0 0 0 10496 7327 877 3 56 41 1 0 2 0 4372 1812 140516 0 0 0 8132 7239 872 0 53 47 1 0 0 0 4408 1816 140460 0 0 4 5876 2415 255 0 17 83 1 0 0 0 4376 1824 140528 0 0 0 0 7555 894 1 42 56 0 0 2 0 4376 1832 140512 0 0 0 4096 7589 858 1 52 47 1 0 1 0 4416 1840 140464 0 0 0 8052 7229 879 1 51 47 0 0 1 0 4380 1848 140496 0 0 0 10180 7183 863 1 49 50 1 0 1 0 4348 1856 140500 0 0 0 8080 7240 852 1 49 50 1 0 1 0 4464 1864 140408 0 0 0 4504 7309 886 1 47 51 0 0 1 0 4444 1872 140400 0 0 0 7284 7459 873 1 51 48 0 0 3 0 4380 1880 140440 0 0 0 10184 7428 895 1 50 49 1 0 1 0 4428 1888 140400 0 0 0 8092 7308 867 0 52 48 2.5.31: procs memory swap io system cpu r b w swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id 0 0 0 0 7404 0 137796 0 0 0 4108 6933 1176 1 43 56 1 0 0 0 4384 0 141048 0 0 0 8216 6918 1293 1 42 57 0 0 0 104 4392 0 141472 0 104 0 4212 6909 1211 1 53 45 0 0 1 120 4440 0 141488 0 16 0 8232 6860 1233 1 61 38 1 0 1 120 4352 0 141628 0 0 0 4108 6810 1137 2 38 60 0 0 0 120 4468 0 141508 0 0 0 8216 6848 1114 0 40 59 1 0 0 120 4352 0 141608 0 0 0 4108 6817 1091 1 39 60 0 0 1 120 4464 0 141528 0 0 0 8216 6846 1090 1 39 60 0 0 0 120 4412 0 141568 0 0 0 4108 6836 1056 1 39 60 0 0 1 120 4388 0 141588 0 0 0 8216 6863 1088 1 41 58 1 0 0 120 4392 0 141608 0 0 0 4108 6899 1162 1 41 58 0 0 0 120 4428 0 141572 0 0 0 8216 6917 1085 2 40 58 0 0 0 120 4416 0 141592 0 0 0 4208 6887 1097 1 40 59 The oscillation between 8 MB and 4 MB is a little odd, but it's very consistent and averages out to about 6 MB, which is exactly what the FTP session is doing. Thanks for your insight and patience. I'm always excited to see another batch of akpm patches show up on the list. If I can run other tests to help you, let me know. --Adam - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/