Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754041Ab2JBWr7 (ORCPT ); Tue, 2 Oct 2012 18:47:59 -0400 Received: from mail-we0-f174.google.com ([74.125.82.174]:39686 "EHLO mail-we0-f174.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753728Ab2JBWr5 (ORCPT ); Tue, 2 Oct 2012 18:47:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20121002222333.GA32207@kroah.com> References: <1340285798-8322-1-git-send-email-mchehab@redhat.com> <4FE37194.30407@redhat.com> <4FE8B8BC.3020702@iki.fi> <4FE8C4C4.1050901@redhat.com> <4FE8CED5.104@redhat.com> <20120625223306.GA2764@kroah.com> <4FE9169D.5020300@redhat.com> <20121002100319.59146693@redhat.com> <20121002221239.GA30990@kroah.com> <20121002222333.GA32207@kroah.com> From: Linus Torvalds Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 15:47:36 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: HbEVZux__vAS6PJ8xJhlA2roI5s Message-ID: Subject: Re: udev breakages - was: Re: Need of an ".async_probe()" type of callback at driver's core - Was: Re: [PATCH] [media] drxk: change it to use request_firmware_nowait() To: Greg KH Cc: Kay Sievers , Mauro Carvalho Chehab , Lennart Poettering , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Kay Sievers , Linux Media Mailing List , Michael Krufky Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1440 Lines: 40 On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Greg KH wrote: > > which went into udev release 187 which I think corresponds to the place > when people started having problems, right Mauro? According to what I've seen, people started complaining in 182, not 187. See for example http://patchwork.linuxtv.org/patch/13085/ which is a thread where you were involved too.. See also the arch linux thread: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=134012&p=1 And see this email from Kay Sievers that shows that it was all known about and intentional in the udev camp: http://www.spinics.net/lists/netdev/msg185742.html There's a possible patch suggested here: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-August/006357.html but quite frankly, I am leery of the fact that the udev maintenance seems to have gone into some "crazy mode" where they have made changes that were known to be problematic, and are pure and utter stupidity. Having the module init path load the firmware IS THE SENSIBLE AND OBVIOUS THING TO DO for many cases. The fact that udev people have apparently unilaterally decided that it's somehow wrong is scary. Linus -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/