Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754095Ab2JDKf2 (ORCPT ); Thu, 4 Oct 2012 06:35:28 -0400 Received: from icebox.esperi.org.uk ([81.187.191.129]:46140 "EHLO mail.esperi.org.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753758Ab2JDKf0 (ORCPT ); Thu, 4 Oct 2012 06:35:26 -0400 From: Nix To: Al Viro Cc: Linus Torvalds , Mauro Carvalho Chehab , Ming Lei , Greg KH , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Linux Media Mailing List Subject: Re: udev breakages - References: <4FE9169D.5020300@redhat.com> <20121002100319.59146693@redhat.com> <20121002221239.GA30990@kroah.com> <20121002222333.GA32207@kroah.com> <506C562E.5090909@redhat.com> <20121003170907.GA23473@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> <20121003192636.GC23473@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> <87pq4z12c1.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> Emacs: where editing text is like playing Paganini on a glass harmonica. Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 11:35:19 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87pq4z12c1.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> (nix@esperi.org.uk's message of "Thu, 04 Oct 2012 01:57:18 +0100") Message-ID: <87ipaq1q54.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-DCC-URT-Metrics: spindle 1060; Body=7 Fuz1=7 Fuz2=7 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1318 Lines: 28 [Kay removed because I don't like emailing arguable flamebait directly to the person flamed.] On 4 Oct 2012, nix@esperi.org.uk stated: > By udev 175 I, and a lot of other people, had simply stopped upgrading > udev entirely on the grounds that we could no longer tolerate the > uncertainty over whether our systems would boot every time we upgraded > it, for no discernible benefit. Yes, all the incompatible changes are > (or were, as of udev 175) called out in the release notes -- but there > are so *many* of them, it's easy to miss one. And they all seem so > completely unnecessary, and their implications for your system > configuration grow more and more invasive all the time. In the bright light of day I realize that this post is not as off-topic for this thread as it appears. This is all of a piece. The udev maintainer insists that everyone else adapt to udev's demands: before now, it has been users, sysadmins, and userspace who must adapt, but now is is pushing its demands in the other direction as well: this thread is the result. -- NULL && (void) -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/