Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1757780Ab2JJDTX (ORCPT ); Tue, 9 Oct 2012 23:19:23 -0400 Received: from mail-oa0-f46.google.com ([209.85.219.46]:59547 "EHLO mail-oa0-f46.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753010Ab2JJDTV (ORCPT ); Tue, 9 Oct 2012 23:19:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20121004201704.36d35755@pyramind.ukuu.org.uk> References: <506C562E.5090909@redhat.com> <20121003170907.GA23473@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> <20121003195059.GA13541@kroah.com> <3560b86d-e2ad-484d-ab6e-2b9048894a12@email.android.com> <87zk42tab4.fsf@xmission.com> <20121004174254.GA14301@kroah.com> <20121004201704.36d35755@pyramind.ukuu.org.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 05:19:19 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: udev breakages - From: Felipe Contreras To: Alan Cox Cc: Greg KH , "Eric W. Biederman" , Kay Sievers , Linus Torvalds , Andy Walls , Al Viro , Mauro Carvalho Chehab , Ming Lei , Lennart Poettering , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Kay Sievers , Linux Media Mailing List , Michael Krufky , Ivan Kalvachev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1302 Lines: 31 On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Alan Cox wrote: >> I don't know how to handle the /dev/ptmx issue properly from within >> devtmpfs, does anyone? Proposals are always welcome, the last time this >> came up a week or so ago, I don't recall seeing any proposals, just a >> general complaint. > > Is it really a problem - devtmpfs is optional. It's a problem for the > userspace folks to handle and if they made it mandatory in their code > diddums, someone better go fork working versions. If only there was a viable alternative to udev. Distributions are being pushed around by the udev+systemd project precisely because of this reason; udev maintainers have said that udev on non-systemd systems is a dead end, so everyone that uses udev (everyone) is being forced to switch to systemd if they want to receive proper support, and at some point there might not be even a choice. I for one would like an alternative to both systemd and udev on my Linux systems, and as of yet, I don't know of one. Cheers. -- Felipe Contreras -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/