Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:12:49 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:12:48 -0400 Received: from dsl-213-023-043-116.arcor-ip.net ([213.23.43.116]:29080 "EHLO starship") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:12:47 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Daniel Phillips To: Anton Altaparmakov , ptb@it.uc3m.es Subject: Re: [RFC] mount flag "direct" (fwd) Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 01:19:08 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] Cc: Lars Marowsky-Bree , "Peter T. Breuer" , root@chaos.analogic.com, Rik van Riel , linux kernel References: <20020903185344.GA7836@marowsky-bree.de> <5.1.0.14.2.20020903221201.00ac5770@pop.cus.cam.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020903221201.00ac5770@pop.cus.cam.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Message-Id: Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1595 Lines: 27 On Tuesday 03 September 2002 23:54, Anton Altaparmakov wrote: > The difference between a DFS and your proposal is that a DFS maintains all > the caching benefits of a normal FS at the local node level, while your > proposal completely and entirely disables caching, which is debatably > impossible (due to need to load things into ram to read them and to modify > them and then write them back) and certainly no FS author will accept their > FS driver to be crippled in such a way. The performance loss incurred by > removing caching completely is going to make sure you will only be dreaming > of those 50GiB/sec. More likely you will be getting a few bytes/sec... (OK, > I exaggerate a bit.) The seek times on the disks together with the > read/write timings are going to completely annihilate performance. A DFS > maintains caching at local node level, so you can still keep open inodes in > memory for example (just don't allow any other node to open the same file > at the same time or you need to do some juggling via the "Master DFS node"). You're well wide of the mark here, in that you're relying on the assumption that caching is important to the application he has in mind. The raw transfer bandwidth may well be sufficient, especially if it is unimpeded by being funneled through a bottleneck like our vfs cache. -- Daniel - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/