Return-Path: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20090720052314.GA10357@piper.oerlikon.madduck.net> References: <20090718055411.GA21651@piper.oerlikon.madduck.net> <2d5a2c100907191036o7c48c405r32f0292a9168cb92@mail.gmail.com> <20090719175737.GA9278@piper.oerlikon.madduck.net> <2d5a2c100907191120g79980cebme985bbff2fbb6ef5@mail.gmail.com> <20090720052314.GA10357@piper.oerlikon.madduck.net> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 23:17:42 -0700 Message-ID: <8c237ea80907192317k39f4353as56a7530cd23b515f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: How to replace DUN with bluez 4? From: Hibiki Kanzaki To: madduck@madduck.net Cc: linux bluetooth mailinglist Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: linux-bluetooth-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: > It's scary to see this desktop trend. It's like > Windows NT 4.0, and the Windows-typical need to log > in to be able to start a firewall or fileserver. Tell me about it. I keep seeing people (including me) looking for command-line applications to do things with BlueZ 4.x and getting responses along the lines of "it works with [GNOME/KDE application], so just run that, or look at the source code"... or people simply get no response at all. What concerns me is it not apparent there is a presumption that there needs to be command-line applications to do everything which can be done in GUIs. Real, supported applications, not just pointers to a web page somewhere with a forum posting with a Python script which calls dbus and sort of does the desired thing, if the API has not changed too much since the posting... in which case it may just fail with an obscure error.