2008-11-04 13:15:19

by Florian Schwehn

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Subject: Question about power tables or other transmit power limit

Hi all,

we are looking into limiting transmit power for our bluetooth file
server project. The idea is to limit sending radius so that people
don't feel harassed if they do not want to receive files.

First we tried to read the RSSI during device discovery and base our
decision on that. But the readings varied too much because of power
saving methods like power tables.

Since we cannot update the firmware of the mobile phones, we decided
to try to limit the transmit power for our device discovery HCI
device. After reading about things a bit and browsing through the docs
that CSR provides, we tried to cap the maximum power or to change the
power tables with the bccmd. Unfortunately, the dongle doesn't seem to
accept the change. After setting the value and re-reading it, the
change is gone:

[[email protected] Desktop]# bccmd psget 0x0017
Maximum transmit power: 0x0004 (4)
[[email protected] Desktop]# bccmd psset 0x0017 0
[[email protected] Desktop]# bccmd psget 0x0017
Maximum transmit power: 0x0004 (4)

I also tried dump all PS keys and restoring the modified dump - same
issue.

Does anybody have experience with this? Do we need special BT dongles?
We are also inquiring with CSR at the moment, but using a windows
software is not an option, as our project is using embedded Linux (of
course :).

Looking forward to any help.

Best regards,

Florian.


2008-11-24 03:03:38

by Marcel Holtmann

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Subject: Re: Question about power tables or other transmit power limit

Hi Florian,

> we are looking into limiting transmit power for our bluetooth file
> server project. The idea is to limit sending radius so that people
> don't feel harassed if they do not want to receive files.
>
> First we tried to read the RSSI during device discovery and base our
> decision on that. But the readings varied too much because of power
> saving methods like power tables.
>
> Since we cannot update the firmware of the mobile phones, we decided
> to try to limit the transmit power for our device discovery HCI
> device. After reading about things a bit and browsing through the
> docs that CSR provides, we tried to cap the maximum power or to
> change the power tables with the bccmd. Unfortunately, the dongle
> doesn't seem to accept the change. After setting the value and re-
> reading it, the change is gone:
>
> [[email protected] Desktop]# bccmd psget 0x0017
> Maximum transmit power: 0x0004 (4)
> [[email protected] Desktop]# bccmd psset 0x0017 0
> [[email protected] Desktop]# bccmd psget 0x0017
> Maximum transmit power: 0x0004 (4)
>
> I also tried dump all PS keys and restoring the modified dump - same
> issue.
>
> Does anybody have experience with this? Do we need special BT
> dongles? We are also inquiring with CSR at the moment, but using a
> windows software is not an option, as our project is using embedded
> Linux (of course :).

this is a hardware detail that you better discuss with CSR people
since while I know a lot about their hardware, I am not that deep into
all the details. And messing with PS keys can result in unexpected
things.

Regards

Marcel


2008-12-12 22:00:36

by Clemens Cap

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Subject: Re: Question about power tables or other transmit power limit

Hello Florian,

we are researching a similar issue.

Marcel Holtmann wrote:
>> we are looking into limiting transmit power for our bluetooth file
>> server project. The idea is to limit sending radius so that people
>> don't feel harassed if they do not want to receive files.
>>
>> First we tried to read the RSSI during device discovery and base our
>> decision on that. But the readings varied too much because of power
>> saving methods like power tables.

RSSI does not work - power regulation mechanisms compensate signal
strength loss and you only get indications of signal break down near at
the limit of the range. Better approaches may be LQ, BER, inquiry
response rates, l2ping delay rates and others. There are plenty of
recent research papers on this at ieee or acm digital libraries which do
not go rather deep but are proofs of concepts. We have a student digging
into fusion concepts of the various indicators using statistical
filtering approaches.

>> power tables with the bccmd. Unfortunately, the dongle doesn't seem to
>> accept the change. After setting the value and re-reading it, the
>> change is gone:
>>
>> [[email protected] Desktop]# bccmd psget 0x0017
>> Maximum transmit power: 0x0004 (4)

First, make sure that you write into the correct memory bank (find out
the memory structure using bccmd).

Second make sure you warmstart the dongle after adaption and be aware
that the bluecore only reacts to a PS key value at certain moments
during the operation cycle. There is not an immediate reaction of the bc
to the ps key value.

>> I also tried dump all PS keys and restoring the modified dump - same
>> issue.

Which dongles are you using?

This does not work with most class 2 dongles. Took us a while to figure
that out as well.

>> Does anybody have experience with this? Do we need special BT dongles?
>> We are also inquiring with CSR at the moment, but using a windows
>> software is not an option, as our project is using embedded Linux (of
>> course :).
>
> this is a hardware detail that you better discuss with CSR people since
> while I know a lot about their hardware, I am not that deep into all the
> details. And messing with PS keys can result in unexpected things.

Beware of this remark... We already "consumed" 3 dongles by typos and
mistakes in setting up incorrect ps keys. We got them working again, but
it took us a while to "unbrick" them.


Please let me know if you get some results regarding the power table. We
currently are trying this approach but without much success lately.

Best regards
Clemens.