Return-Path: Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.186]:53936 "EHLO moutng.kundenserver.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753149Ab0G3VXO (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Jul 2010 17:23:14 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/18] xstat: Add a pair of system calls to make extended file stats available [ver #6] From: utz lehmann To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Jeremy Allison , Volker.Lendecke@sernet.de, David Howells , Jan Engelhardt , linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, samba-technical@lists.samba.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, linux-fsde@jasper.es In-Reply-To: References: <20100715021709.5544.64506.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <20100715021712.5544.44845.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <30448.1279800887@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:22:58 +0200 Message-ID: <1280524978.2452.9.camel@segv.aura.of.mankind> Sender: linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 On Thu, 2010-07-22 at 09:40 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > But the fact is, th Unix ctime semantics are insane and largely > useless. There's a damn good reason almost nobody uses ctime under > unix. > > So what I'm suggesting is that we have a flag - either per-process or > per-mount - that just says "use windows semantics for ctime". When abusing an existing time stamp use atime not ctime please. ctime has it's uses. atime was just a mistake and is nearly useless. And with noatime we already have creation time semantics for atime. utz