Return-Path: Received: from fieldses.org ([174.143.236.118]:57374 "EHLO fieldses.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751390Ab0HPSKk (ORCPT ); Mon, 16 Aug 2010 14:10:40 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 14:08:29 -0400 From: "J. Bruce Fields" To: Jeremy Allison Cc: Jeff Layton , Neil Brown , utz lehmann , Linus Torvalds , Volker.Lendecke@sernet.de, David Howells , Jan Engelhardt , linux-cifs@vger.kernel.org, linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org, samba-technical@lists.samba.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, linux-fsde@jasper.es Subject: Re: [PATCH 02/18] xstat: Add a pair of system calls to make extended file stats available [ver #6] Message-ID: <20100816180828.GB7764@fieldses.org> References: <1280524978.2452.9.camel@segv.aura.of.mankind> <20100801092529.5e6ba0e0@corrin.poochiereds.net> <20100805235218.GB31233@jeremy-laptop> <20100806133836.49757af9@notabene> <20100808121208.GA7329@jeremy-laptop> <20100808085301.24f53e5a@tlielax.poochiereds.net> <20100808130501.GA9851@jeremy-laptop> <20100813125432.GB8945@fieldses.org> <20100813175410.GA8202@samba1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <20100813175410.GA8202@samba1> Sender: linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:54:10AM -0700, Jeremy Allison wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 08:54:32AM -0400, J. Bruce Fields wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 08, 2010 at 06:05:01AM -0700, Jeremy Allison wrote: > > > We don't need to ape Windows in everything. > > > The coming ACL disaster will show that (we will go from an ACL > > > model that is slightly too complex to use, to one that is impossibly > > > complex to use :-). > > > > Care to elaborate? > > POSIX ACLs -> RichACLs (NT-style). Not criticising Andreas here, > people are asking for this. But Windows ACLs are a nightmare > beyond human comprehension :-). In the "too complex to be > usable" camp. > > > And what would native ACL support mean for Samba? > > RichACLs'll do it, but I feel sorry for the admins :-). I was curious whether you can support that with any data (or even just anecdotes) about real-world sysadmins. The NT-style ACLs give me a headache, honestly. But that may just be because I've been involved with the implementation. Admins may have the luxury of using only the subset that they're comfortable with. --b.