Return-Path: linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: from zeniv.linux.org.uk ([195.92.253.2]:56625 "EHLO ZenIV.linux.org.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1755089Ab2K2VQ2 (ORCPT ); Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:16:28 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 21:16:24 +0000 From: Al Viro To: Stef Bon Cc: "Myklebust, Trond" , simo , "linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org" , linux-cifs Subject: Re: Possible to make nfs aware of a inotify watch has been set. Message-ID: <20121129211624.GS4939@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> References: <4FA345DA4F4AE44899BD2B03EEEC2FA90B329CFD@SACEXCMBX04-PRD.hq.netapp.com> <1354202525.4064.1.camel@pico.ipa.ssimo.org> <4FA345DA4F4AE44899BD2B03EEEC2FA90B32AEB7@SACEXCMBX04-PRD.hq.netapp.com> <20121129202037.GQ4939@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: Sender: linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 09:31:05PM +0100, Stef Bon wrote: > 2012/11/29 Al Viro : > > On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 05:39:27PM +0100, Stef Bon wrote: > > > >> And yes there is no such thing as a killer app, but in my opinion it's > >> the user experience. > > > > Ah, yes... UX - the killer argument. "Doing that would make qi flow better" > > and any objections are waved away, since the person objecting has no idea > > how qi behaves (since it doesn't exist, to start with). Could we please keep > > the intellectual level above the Feng Shui scammers^W^W^WUX theorists usual? > > Wow. Like I've said, I do not have a killer app, or anything else > which is as obvious like 1+1=2. No, but I give you my opinion. To me, > boldly stated, a system which is able to do fs notify events over > network filesystems is turning from a dump system into an intelligent > one. > > With Ubuntu people started Unity, also without a killer app, but just > with an opinion, an impression, an idea. And anyone can dislike or > like it, it's a succes as far as I can see. What the hell is wrong > with suggesting things based upon an idea/impression? IOW, it was a true positive for "([Uu]ser experience)|UX" as BS predictor. Nice to know... Look, you'd been asked to give good reasons for doing some thing; replying with "it's My Opinion(tm), piss off if that's not enough reason for you" would at least have been honest. References to UX, as your last reply has confirmed, had been basically an obfuscated equivalent of that. Sorry for being harsh, but I've had it with the GNOME crowd and their ilk using just such references to handwave away any questions. There's nothing wrong with having opinions/impressions/etc. Everyone got their own, etc. But "I believe so, period" is not a sufficient answer to "what makes that a good idea?" and obfuscating it up is even worse.